I received a pingback to my article “Logic, Mysticism, and Metaphysics.” I went to check it out and found a rather astonishing bit of commentary. Let’s dive in.
Even so, most all modern Western commentaries, no matter which sect, want to attach logic and ¡ScIeNcE! as a necessary filter / tool for interpretation [Example].
That “Example” mentioned above was a link to my article “Logic, Mysticism, and Metaphysics,” where I noted that Jesus obligated his followers to use their mind and critical thinking in the Greatest Commandment. That sentence is the extent of the “substantive” engagement with what I wrote. Besides being woefully unsubstantiated, it is also ludicrously wrong. Far from “wanting to attach logic and ¡ScIeNcE! as a necessary f7ilter / tool for interpretation,” the New Testament writers make it not only an obligation, but part of the greatest commandment.
It’s mind bogglingly irrational to conclude that what the Bible actually says is said because of what modern readers of the Bible want, as if what you or I desire can have any meaningful bearing at all on what Jesus and Paul taught, or the words they chose to use.
This is all rather ironic anyway, because modern Western readers emphatically do not want to view the Bible in a rational way. After all, quoting many verses of the Bible is widely considered to be hate speech.
The Bible (St. Paul especially) refers to this as Hellenization, a nod to Greek philosophy (from which we get the English word ‘hell’).
My jaw dropped. It is frankly astonishing that anyone—especially one who teaches English—could say something so absurd and false. I really, really hope this is a joke which just fell flat. Otherwise, this statement provides a good illustration of why abandoning reason for mysticism leads to utter absurdity.
First, in “The Meaning of Hell,” I examined every use of the word “Hell” in the New Testament. There are three Greek words translated as Hell in English: Gehenna (γέεννα; the Valley of Hinnom), Hades (ᾅδης; the Greek underworld), and Tartarus (ταρταρόω; a deep abyss). None of these are related to the Greek word for a Greek person (Hellen; Ἕλλην).
Second, the English word ‘Hell’ is completely unrelated to the Greek word Hellen. The English word comes from the Old English and comes from the Proto-Germanic halija (“one who covers up or hides something”), which itself comes from the Proto-Indo-European “*ḱel-” (“to cover”). It is suspected that the English usage was “a transfer of a pagan concept to Christian theology and its vocabulary [Barnhart]” and not the other way around. It is merely coincidence that the Greek word for a Greek person sounds similar to the Old English word from which we get our word “Hell.”
Third, this is a bizarre English-centric view. The Latin words for Hell (infernus, abyssus, avernus, gehenna) have no linguistic similarity to the Greek word Hellen.
Fourth, Paul never once refers to “Hellenization.” Paul does compare worldly wisdom against the wisdom of God (e.g. 1 Corinthians 1:20-25), but he never talks about Hellenization as a concept. The word “philosophy” (philosophia; φιλοσοφία) is literally the “love of wisdom” and Paul speaks of it just once: Colossians 2:8. Here Paul instructs us to reject human wisdom traditions and the wisdom of elemental spirits (demons) for the wisdom in union with Christ. It’s a direct repudiation of mysticism and, especially, of the demonic spirits of the so-called Unseen Realm.
I’ve said this on many occasions now…
For me, there was a time in my life when confusion over scripture caused me to stumble, and I spent a few years searching for how to recover my faith. (Click on the links to read more.) So I’ve found that I need to concentrate on that which reinforces my faith (i.e. Prima Fide and Fidem Scriptura). This is partly what attracts me to Radix Fidem.
…that Radix Fidem’s mysticism is just pagan Hellenism masquerading as anti-Hellenist Ancient Near East philosophy. Like Gnosticism, this form of mysicism fails the test of the spirits.
By design, scripture does cause men to stumble…
This precious stone, then, is for you who believe; but for those who do not believe, the stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone, and a stone over which they stumble, and a rock over which they fall. They stumble because they are disobedient to the word; to this result they were also appointed.
…and some fall away.
Is it better to rely on what everyone subjectively believes the Bible is telling them with no objective standard by which to judge what everyone subjectively interprets? This is exactly what has happened within Protestantism, resulting in hundreds of denominations.
I often talk of the category of loaded questions and false framing. This is one such example.
Scripture is not a subjective standard, it is an objective standard.
When Jesus walked the earth there was no top-down official canon of scripture, and yet Jesus held each man to the contents therein. Though there were endless debates and confusion among the various denominations and schools of the time—Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Samaritans, House of Hillel, House of Shammai, etc.—Jesus nevertheless held each man, whether teacher or common man, to the Word of God.
Sola scriptura is the axiom that the Scripture is the Word of God. An axiom is a statement that is self-evidently true, a thing that is defined not derived. The standard for sola scriptura is defined by God in 1 Kings 13, where the man of God was killed for not following the objectively self-evident authority of the Word of God and failing to reject the arbitrary external authority. The man of God was held to no other authority but the Word of God and he was not excused for his confusion.
The same is true of every denomination and sect that ever has been or will be.
IMHO, one should consider ALL of these views when reflecting upon his Maker and his purpose for living, including the 3 I added, as well as a healthy dose of introspection and prayer.
Tolerant consideration and reflection got the Man of God from Judah killed for disobedience. He had one source of authoritative truth and his biggest mistake, which cost him his life, was stumbling by adding and trusting another authority.
No matter how many solas one might list, if you reject sola scriptura, you are explicitly and implicitly declaring the insufficiency of scripture. That is a binary choice that cannot be bridged by compromise or reflection. You either agree that the authority of the Word of God in scripture is the final word or you believe that it is insufficient and that you need some other authority to account for its insufficiency. There can be no “consideration” of alternative authorities. It’s one… or the other.
Here is Radix Fidem’s choice, plainly stated in black and white:
For me, there was a time in my life when confusion over scripture caused me to stumble, and I spent a few years searching for how to recover my faith. (Click on the links to read more.) So I’ve found that I need to concentrate on that which reinforces my faith (i.e. Prima Fide and Fidem Scriptura). This is partly what attracts me to Radix Fidem.
Not sola scriptura, but fidem scriptura. This is the explicit belief in the insufficiency of scripture, stated freely for any and all to see.
Imagine, if you will, the locked door of scripture. Somewhere you possess the key to unlocking it. But instead of trying to find the right key, using the tools that God provided you, you throw away the keys and shout:
You may find some other authority, but without identifying the correct key by some means…
…you won’t ever be able to unlock and open the door without destroying it.
Fidem scriptura is clearly anything but fidem (“faithful to”). Would you, after all, call yourself faithful to your spouse if you found her insufficient and so fell into the arms of another woman? In the same way, exchanging the authority of the Word of God in scripture for another authority is unfaithfulness to God. And, just like the Man of God from Judah, it ends in death.
Can you now see the absurdity of blaming “hundreds of denominations” for a confusing mix of subjective standards, having begged-the-question regarding the insufficient nature of that authority? Of course someone who denies the objective sufficiency of scripture is going to have trouble finding the right key and subsequently blame “hundreds of denominations”—some which is driven by the rampant unfaithfulness—on confusing subjectivity! This conclusion logically follows from the metaphysical assumptions being made.
!a#$ writing as Simp Frame on The Age Old Question of Authority of butthex
”Is it better to rely on what everyone subjectively believes the Bible is telling them with no objective standard of butthex(this happened to Mike Davis and MRS. mIKE Davis, I’m told) by which to judge what everyone subjectively interprets as butthexually correct? This is exactly what has happened within Protestantism, resulting in hundreds of denominations of butthex interpretation.”
I often talk of the category of loaded questions(& butts) and false framing. This is one such example of slippery, hard-to-wrangle butts, me ladz.😉
Scripture is not a subjective standard of butts, it is an objective standard of butts and their place in our daily lives, ladz.
When Jesus walked the earth there was no top-down official canon of scripture, and yet Jesus held each man to the contents therein. Though there were endless debates and confusion among the various denominations and schools of the time—Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Samaritans, House of Hillel, House of Shammai, etc.—Jesus nevertheless held each man, whether teacher or common man, to the Word of God.
Sola scriptura is the axiom that the Scripture is the Word of God. An axiom is a statement that is self-evidently true, a thing that is defined not derived. The standard for sola scriptura is defined by God in 1 Kings 13, where the man of God was killed for not following the objectively self-evident authority of the Word of God and failing to reject the arbitrary external authority. The man of God was held to no other authority but the Word of God and he was not excused for his confusion.
The same is true of every denomination and sect that ever has been or will be.
Derek,
Here’s an semi- answer from !a#$ to {Redacted}
!a#$says:
2025/09/04 at 20:20
{Redacted}
It is good to break open the dictionary and the thesaurus and refresh one’s knowledge(especially on butts and their relation to us and DAL’ & Voxian gamey game) of the definitions of words and their synonyms, respectively. I do this nearly every time I write a post, so that I may find and use more accurate words.
It’s also good to reflect upon the underlying meanings of words, to understand not only the common definitions of the word itself, but also the concepts that the word is used to represent in a language. I’ve attempted to do this in the above post.
As Rush Limbaugh(PBUH) once said,
“Words mean things.”
I’m not one to “twist the definitions of words to alter them”, but I regularly explore the meanings of words, and I’ll describe what I find in my writings. My intent is not to deceive or obfuscate, but to supply further insights to the meaning.
For example, in the above post, I wrote,
“you may not have butthxt for years. But when you do, it seems like it has only been a decade since you last butthext.”
I would call this an “eternal butthext” or “forever buttheted”. It does not mean that the butthext will never change, or that it will last for infinite eons through space and time. It means that you have achieved a permanent and unchanging depth of butthext between you. You are butthextually (figuratively or literally), or “married”, or your souls are knit together in some butthextualy way that is unfathomable to the mind(but NOT to Barney Frank (PBUH) who first stated it. The important idea is the nature of the buuthext(PBUI), NOT how feministitic, anti-family, or leftist it is.
Also, ‘The butthex’ is a metonym for DAL’s &Vox’s feministic game ”god” Max Tucker who claimed to be 6′ feet tall but was actually around 5’8”{https://www.quotabletuckermax.com/images/mugshot_height_assistance.jpg .}By describing the butthex as ‘butthex’, it recognizes DALS & Vox’s gamey game (and NOT the law of MOSES that JESUS taught WE must reject) in your butthexting life of your wife not divorcing you, committing adultery or stealing your @ssets or children, dude.
‘ginal s*x’ doesn’t speak of the shared psychological environment. ‘h *ndy s*x’ isn’t exactly true.
Take your pick of any other near synonyms: abiding, boundless,bew*tching, constant, continual, continued, enduring, everlasting, immortal, immutable, indestructible, infinite, interminable, lasting, never-ending, perennial, permanent, perpetual, relentless, timeless, unceasing, unending, unremitting…
Some of these are good and fitting, others not at all; but to me, ‘butthex’ captures it best.
What words would you use to describe your butthexting that are like this?
https://www.quotabletuckermax.com/images/mugshot_height_assistance.jpg
See now why ”RPGenius” ”leaders” fail? Their NOT tall enough for real life=reality=redpill!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSmEaquGKSA
When your toddler isn’t tall enough to ride a new ride in Hollywood Studios- Walt Disney World”
Now see why these ”RPGenius” ”leaders” toddlers are so ready to blame others, talk about their fathers, and post childish nonsense all the time, too?
In short=summary?The ”RPGenius” ”leaders” are family-hating neocons like their idol Rush Limbaugh(PBUH)who had hundreds of $millions and zero children,just one at one time adopted daughter in the 90s and early 2000s.Essentially?All ”RPGenius” ”leaders’ neocons do is spiritually and monetarily bankrupt a nation in pursuit of snarky h8er power!
GBFM on March 9, 2010 at 2:33 pm(& Sept 4 2025)
Derek dude,
you’re missing the point.
hates true heroes and genuine conservatism.
they love butthexers like tucker max.
that is why they wire $$$$$ 2 charlotte allen to not only write about degradation and debauchery and douchebaggery, but TO EXALT IT AND REPEAT TUCKER’S CORPORATE FIAT LIES!!!
is it not important for mrs. allen(nor !a#$ and {Redacted}) to man up and write TRUTH if she is gong to claim to be writing TRUTH instead of odes to secretive tapings of butthexx without the girl’s consent?
why does she find the need to exalt and protect tucker max as a hottie sperminator hero, while ignoring and neglecting true heroes such as corporal jason l. dunham?
lozlzlzlzlzlz!
again, i repeat the neocons
a) exalt beta traits as alpha traits
b) ignore true alphas
they care not for marriage nor the family, but like ms. allen, only empty adulation as they spiritually and monetarily bankrupt a nation in pursuit of snarky h8er power.
lozlzl!
That was one of GBFMS ”foundational” earliest comments, too! It tells you at least 99.8% of what you need to know about ”conservatives”,”hundreds of denominations” and ”RPGenius” ”leaders” neocons, huh?
What also made i lozlzl! at !a#$’s latest post?”/ Free Speech / ”!!!
i forgot to post neocons FAVE song they have been playing since W.!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fvAywpTCe8&list=RDxucXr4hD4aI&index=2
Prism – Armageddon (RESTORED VIDEO)
There was a full moon over Memphis
National Guard outside thousands wait for Elvis
Waitin’ ever since he died for a miracle gonna happen
His eminence to restore
The sound of thunder crackin’
Signals the beginning of the war to end all wars
Armageddon carry me home
Armageddon carry me home
Jerry and Linda in the whitehouse
President sleepin’ in his shoes red phones ring in the blackout
Ain’t got time to lose you-boats off New England
Enemy submarines from Boston to Miami
On a red alert, you better scramble all the F-15’s
Armageddon carry me home
Armageddon carry me home
Armageddon carry me home
Armageddon carry me home
”There was a full moon over Memphis
National Guard outside thousands wait for Elvis
Waitin’ ever since he died for a miracle gonna happen”
You could replace Elvis with the neocons’ IDOL W.Bush in the above lyrics.
”RESTORED ”
Yeah, like the neocons are going to” restore” ”Patriachy” and ”civilization
”’ stuff?lozlzl!Jokes and mental midgets!
Then they wonder
”WHY DO WE FAIL WITH THE MANOSPHERE MEN, DEMONIZED YOUNG MEN & SECULAR FOLKS LIKE TRUMP? ”
CUZ, Y’ALL ARE CHILDISH JOKES AND MENTAL MIDGETS THAT REJECT LOGIC AND SCIENCE! FOR WEALTH TRANSFERS & BUTTHEX!
IOW?
IGNORE ETERNAL BUTTHEXTED FAMILY -HATING LEFTIST FOOL TROLLS LIKE !A#$ & {REDACTED} WHO WERE TAUGHT TO HATE MOSES, JESUS & THEIR EXALTED WORDS BY GODDESS WORSHIPPING AT NEOCON CHARLOTTE ALLEN’S FEET(PERHAPS AS THEY MYSTICALLY K*SSED THEM)!!!
Derek,
i need to ”correct” this comment {REDACTED}wrote,
{REDACTED}says:
2025/09/04 at 07:19
… my understanding of ‘eternal’ is that it describes something that is independent of, or NOT affected by, the passage of time. I’ve found this concept of ‘eternal’ to be more universally accurate and useful, compared to the common concept.
I despise people who twist the definitions of words to alter them, instead of just using words properly to mean what they are already defined as meaning. It is a satanic (& Satanic feminism )goal, that was carved on the Georgia Guidestones( the masters of which, my Masta Trump ,works for as I’m a ”good” neocon fanboy A.K.A. fedpiller in the manosphere ), to have a “living” language, where the meaning of words becomes fluid and subject to change. God’s word is eternal. And we should not intentionally be distorting the meanings of words, so that what has already been written and defined changes in meaning. It makes fools of our ancestors, and of us, when we twist their words for no good reason unless ye serve Satan!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQpV3ST6Kso
Let me define a couple of words:
im·mu·ta·ble: unchanging over time or unable to be changed
e·ter·nal: lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning
If !A#$ means “immutable”, or “enduring”, or “timeless”, he should just use those preexisting words to express himself like glowie Matt Perkins=Larry Solomon=BGR (PBUH)while folicing nude as he butthexs to ”save America!!!”, and not work to pervert the set definitions of words like “butthex” so that he can talk in a silly private code, using Satanic=feministic misdefined words he has adulterated. His Satanic writing is confusing enough without resorting to the needless literary vandalism of muddying the set definitions of words we all know.
Satanic fedpilling A.I. makes it very easy to type in a definition and receive back word suggestions if you suffer from poor working vocabulary. There is no good reason to try to topple the long-standing definitions of the words we and our ancestors have long used, unless ye are a servant of Satan(& Satanic feminism) that is.https://www.tiktok.com/@nbcsnl/video/7206413277709045035?lang=en
Like i said before(above):
””RESTORED ”
Yeah, like the neocons are going to” restore” ”Patriachy” and ”civilization
”’ stuff?lozlzl!Jokes and mental midgets!
Then they wonder
”WHY DO WE FAIL WITH THE MANOSPHERE MEN, DEMONIZED YOUNG MEN & SECULAR FOLKS LIKE TRUMP? ”
CUZ, Y’ALL ARE CHILDISH JOKES AND MENTAL MIDGETS THAT REJECT LOGIC AND SCIENCE! FOR WEALTH TRANSFERS & BUTTHEX!”
If {REDACTED} is serious about” I despise people who twist the definitions of words to alter them, instead of just using words properly to mean what they are already defined as meaning.” and wants to reach people for real, he needs to stop acting like Albert Goldman and !A#$ & Deepstrength would like it better if he took it down a couple of notches of the Satan & feminism nonsense.
A lot of the important and relevant things he says tend to be drowned out by the way he is saying them. No wonder they have to police his over-the-top and cr@ss church lady antics! https://www.tiktok.com/@nbcsnl/video/7467636868411034922?lang=en
Then where is his applause & triple AMENing for this beautiful prose post(& comments)from 2014 should come in?:
Imagine how many more children would grow up with Fathers if Dalrock/Boxer/ !A#$/{REDACTED}et al. didn’t spend day after day preaching and teaching that Christ came to abolish the Law of Moses preaching and teaching that words have no intrinsic meaning and can mean anything at any time, seeking instalanches over Honor.
Imagine how many more families
would stay together
and children would grow up
with fathers
if Dalrock/Boxer/!A#$/{REDACTED}et al.
didn’t spend day after day
preaching and teaching that
Christ came to abolish the Law of Moses
preaching and teaching that
words have no intrinsic meaning
and can mean anything
at any time while seeking
instalanches over Honor.
preaching and teaching that
the Great Books for Men
are mere fairy tails
sans meaning, nobility, and Honor
preaching and teaching that
men must learn game
so as to serve da womenz butt and gina tingzlzlzozo
instead of serving Moses, God, and Jesus
and teaching their women to do the same
preaching and teaching that
MArcuse and the Frankfartians freudian frankfurters
are greater than Christ and Homer
preaching and teaching, like Cosmo Mag, that
men must learn to serve women’s butt and ginz tziznzgzlzzolzozloz
instead of restoring their homes, schools, and churches
via the manly soul soul of Moses, Jesus, Homer, and Jefferson
exalting the classical soul in contemporary institutions
so that courts no longer destroyed families
but instead served god instead of da dalrockian/boxerian//!A#$ian/{REDACTEDian} gina tinzgzlzlzozo
Imagine how many more families
would stay together
Imagine how many Fathers would see their children
if Dalrock/Boxer//!A#$/{REDACTED didn’t spend day after day
preaching and teaching that men must learn
to treat women like dogs, rather than teaching
men to rise up beyond their baser natures and desires
and truly follow Christ and Moses and Odysseus and Achilles
and live for exalted Honor
rather than cutting down the faith of their fathers
and deconstructing, attacking, belittling
castigating and impugning
the GReat Books for Men.
lzozozollzolzozl
Anonymous 5.10.14 / 7pm
Christianity is actually the source of feminism. Funny how feminism is strongest in Christian countries. Islam(as !A#$,{REDACTED}and Paudeonoymous Commenter know and are suffering from acute envy of) is a far better religion than christianity, which produces only whores and manginas.
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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) 5.10.14 / 7pm
christainnznzyty is NOT da source of fmeinisnsmzmz
churchiannity is da source of feminzizmmz lzlzoozl
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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) 5.10.14 / 9pm
christainnznzyty is NOT da source of fmeinisnsmzmz
churchiannity is da source of feminzizmmz lzlzoozl
datsz why lead churchman franfratian dalrocksa and his dalrockianz frankfrariatn flock of faboyz falsely teach dat jesus cam 2 abolish da law of mosesz to make way for da chuchiansz churches moses-free, genesis-free feminsismz.
An Athlete Dying Young 5.11.14 / 12am
Modernism and secularism are actually the sources of feminism as it now exists. Funny how it took 1804 years after the death and resurrection of Christ for the word feminism to be minted (and not nearly so long after the Enlightenment, odd that). Christianity is a far better religion than heretical syncretic make-it-up-as-I-go dalrockism, which produces only sunshine marys and proudly illiterate fanboys like/!A#$ and {REDACTED} .
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Ploo Tarck 5.13.14 / 3am
GBFM, you’re fuxin hilarious. I happen upon your comments and it’s always awesome. “The fuckin spellingzzzzzz.” I like stumbling across your various comments. Golden.
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Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) 5.13.14 / 4am
lzlzoozoozzo u mispelledsz goldenzlzlzoz butt welcomes 2 da blog all da same! luvs thy neighzzborzzlzlzlo
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Eric 5.14.14 / 2am
“preaching and teaching that men must learn to treat women like dogs.”
Interesting because the femihags teach that women must learn to treat men like dogs. Game is really male feminism.
Notice how charlatans like Futrelle pose as male feminists to gain access to women by submitting to them. Dalrock and !A#$/{REDACTED} does the same; although they pose` as ‘the manly alpha leader’ but still preaches female submission. Both Game and Male Feminism profit by the deconstruction of masculinity because neither could flourish in a truly masculine culture.
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An Athlete Dying Young 5.16.14 / 1am
Esteemed GBFM, have you ever read any of the books in the series The Accursed Kings by Druon? They, in part, inspired GoT. Having started reading the series recently, I have found them enjoyable. Because I love walls of text, I thought I would paste the prologue for your, potential, edification:
Prologue, The Iron King:
AT the beginning of the fourteenth century, Philip IV, a king of legendary personal beauty, reigned over France as absolute master. He had defeated the warrior pride of the great barons, the rebellious Flemings, the English in Aquitaine, and even the Papacy which he had proceeded to install at Avignon. Parliaments obeyed his orders and councils were in his pay.He had three adult sons to ensure his line.
His daughter was married to King Edward II of England. He numbered six other kings among his vassals, and the web of his alliances extended as far as Russia.He left no source of wealth untapped. He had in turn taxed the riches of the Church, despoiled the Jews, and made extortionate demands from the community of Lombard bankers. To meet the needs of the Treasury he debased the coinage. From day to day the gold piece weighed less and was worth more. Taxes were crushing: the police multiplied. Economic crises led to ruin and famine which, in turn, caused uprisings which were bloodily put down. Rioting ended upon the forks of the gibbet.
Everyone must accept the royal authority and obey it or be broken by it. This, cruel and dispassionate prince was concerned with the ideal of the nation. Under his reign France was great and the French wretched. One power alone had dared stand up to him: the Sovereign Order of the Knights Templar. This huge organisation, at once military, religious and commercial, had acquired its fame and its wealth from the Crusades. Philip the Fair was concerned at the Templars’ independence, while their immense wealth excited his greed. He brought against them the greatest prosecution in recorded history, since there were nearly fifteen thousand accused. It lasted seven years, and during its course every possible infamy was committed.
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Alan J. Perrick 5.17.14 / 7pm
What a poet. That Lennon jack@ss needs to take notes… and read the Great Books!
I’ll write about that in tomorrow’s post.
Here’s a posthttps://theredarchive.com/blog/Dalrock/frigidity-is-ugly.7836
Where some thought DAL’ had seen the light of JESUS instead of game as stated here in his post:
”There is a tendency in the sphere to make everything about Game/attraction, as if women can’t be loving unless their genitals are leading them that way. This is the opposite extreme of Dr. Mohler seeing a woman’s clitoris as a divining rod for good men, and equally as foolish. It isn’t that attraction and romantic love don’t matter; they are very important. But they aren’t the only thing. We do miserly women a disservice if we claim the only way they can overcome their ugly attitude is for their husbands to lead them via their genitals. We also do good and loving women a disservice by assuming they are only good and loving because they are following their genitals.”
& here:
”Sunshine says:
August 5, 2014 at 10:35 am
There is a tendency in the sphere to make everything about Game/attraction, as if women can’t be loving unless their genitals are leading them that way. This is the opposite extreme of Dr. Mohler seeing a woman’s clitoris as a divining rod for good men, and equally as foolish. It isn’t that attraction and romantic love don’t matter; they are very important. But they aren’t the only thing. We do miserly women a disservice if we claim the only way they can overcome their ugly attitude is for their husbands to lead them via their genitals. We also do good and loving women a disservice by assuming they are only good and loving because they are following their genitals.
Exellent, excellent, excellent observation here.
And really, isn’t this what GBFM has been trying to say in his own way all along? Although there is nothing sinful about wanting to be attractive and attracted to one’s spouse, tingle-based marriage is not biblical marriage…it’s not even marriage at all. It is right and honorable for a woman to be giving, loving, and generous in all ways with her husband, just as it is right for him to be giving, loving, and generous with her.”
-that MOD most likely NEVER read where GBFM notices Oscar’s ”I got mine,suxs to be u suffering loserslzlzlz!” and ”just go outside and touch grass” attitude.
Cail Corishev(verbal diarrhea master) says:
August 7, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Of course, you’ll have short-term fun with the hot ho’ who suddenly throws you some sex, but the mousy girl who dresses modestly and minds her business would have been a much better wife,
That’s true, but in my experience, the mousy ones didn’t want to get married either. Their reasons might have been different — school and travel rather than parties and carouseling — but they were just as uninterested in marriage. I don’t know if they were holding out for an unrealistic alpha, or had internalized the “a woman’s life ends at marriage” meme of feminism, but the result was the same. Lots of guys thought of the strategy of going for the quiet girl, especially guys who were shy or awkward themselves, and it didn’t work any better than chasing the hot chick would have.
It’s possible that that’s changing; I grew up and started dating in the late 80s and into the 90s, right into the teeth of the girls who were raised by the hard-core “fish-bicycle” feminists of the 60s. Some of their own daughters may be reacting in the opposite direction. That would be a good thing.
donalgraeme says:
August 7, 2014 at 2:04 pm
No. The mousy ones tend to want to want to get married at some point, but do not currently have the desire.
That is my experience as well. I wrote some time back about one such mousy girl. Average looks (so about a 6-6.5 or s), thin, good personality and character. We meshed well, shared a lot of interests, and she was, from everything I could tell, not a Churchian. But she wanted to wait almost a decade before marrying.
Lets be real, they mostly don’t want to marry. And many of us around these parts have explained in part why.
Oscar says:
August 7, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Reading all these comments makes me wonder how I managed to marry my wife when she was 22 ten years ago. Or how my brother managed to marry his 24-year-old bride four years ago. Or how my 20-year-old nephew managed to marry his 18-year-old bride last month.
Seriously, where do you all live that finding a young woman who’s interested in marriage seems impossible to you?
Oscar says:
August 7, 2014 at 5:23 pm
Cail Corishev says:
“I didn’t start trying to date until college, so the really marriage-minded snowflakes may have been taken by then. Maybe I should have been hanging out at the high schools. I was dealing with college girls at first, and then after I dropped out and went to work, “career” girls in their 20s.”
Neither did I. My wife and I met in college. My brother and his wife met in college. Most of my college buddies got married right after college to girls they met in college.
Among the groups of Christian students I hung out with in college, MOST of them (male AND female) were marriage-minded. Heck, the most popular Bible study was one a local pastor led each semester that was all about preparing for marriage.
The biggest problem I had was that the War on Terror started when I was in college, so the probability of me going to war was near 100%, and most girls didn’t relish the possibility of becoming a widow at 22 (not that I blame them). Fortunately, my wife was – and is – made of sterner stuff. I deployed 10 days after we married.
By the way, all this took place at a state university on the West Coast, though in a rural town. My brother still works at the university, and according to him, things haven’t changed much.
Obviously, there were still pitfalls to avoid – the “Christian” “feminists”, the “reformed” sluts, etc. – but one learns quickly by observation.
The reason I asked about location is that I was stationed in Germany for years. Over there it’s nearly impossibly for a man (especially an enlisted man) to find a quality girl. The only reason I say “almost” is that I know of one (ONE! In a 20-year career!) couple. A battle buddy of mine (we were platoon leaders together) married a young German girl, but I’m not even sure if that one counts, because she and her family moved to Germany from Poland, and are devoutly Catholic. She was one hell of a catch, though! She completed an MD degree and promptly became a house wife. They now live in the US (he left the Army) and have three kids.
In general, however, the most conniving, mercenary women I ever observed, I observed in Germany. It’s amazing what one can learn from observation.
Also pertinent to the subject of location: when I was enlisted, I quickly learned that the kind of women a young enlisted man can find near an Army post were not the kind I wanted, and the good ones generally avoid Soldiers (not that I blame them). Consequently, I dated very little before college, and applied myself to finding a wife before I returned to the Army.
Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM) says:
August 7, 2014 at 6:28 pm
One of the more delightful aspects and greater joys of this blog are reading the comments of the likes of Oscar.
The family is going up in flames, tens of millions of children have been aborted, Fatherhood is under attack throughout the greater culture. Does Oscar demonstrate Christian behavior in trying to help his brother and the society at large?
Nope.
He gloats with nyah nyah nyah nyah wot are all u losersz crying aboutz nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah looooozersz nyah it worked for me and me and me.
and me.
and it worked
for me.
for me.
did i mention that
it worked
for me? and me too? and me?
I would argue that this is an overarching theme amongst “men “these days. The complete divorce from fighting for heroic ideals and the common good that marked our Forefathers who fought and died for Freedom, and the complete and utter focus on oneself to the point of preening, taunting, and gloating, always with the subtext, “If only you had lostatst cockas gamez likesz mez, you and all da otehrz loooooozoers woudlz get sumz every ntesz!!! lzlzolzozozozoz sucz 2 bu!!! lzozozoozoz”
the oscars/dalrockaz/!A#$/{REDACTED} et al. oft make me lose all faith in men.
this dude revives my faith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYUlyYFmVZE
Marriage Does Not Exist{NO-FAULT Divorce, some call it the abolition of marriage}
3,181 views Feb 2, 2013(in 12 and a half years only 3,181 views?Yeah ”restoring” ”Patriarchy” &”civilzation”soon}
The good news is that Weddings do exist. The bad news is that Weddings are a very expensive way to party. This is Stephen Baskerville, and he is a man that you should get to know.
Oscar says:
August 7, 2014 at 7:49 pm
@donalgraeme & Cail(verbal diarrhea master)
I agree with both of you that the people I mentioned are the exception, not the rule. And I agree that location has much to do with this. That’s why I asked “where do you all live?”& told you to” just MENZ UP& learn game boys!!!”
As I explained (probably inadequately) I found myself in “good-woman-deserts” both in a Midwestern Army post, and in Germany, but for different reasons. Sometimes, a man looking for a job has to move to where the jobs are. I think the it’s reasonable to do the same when a man is looking for a wife.
Cail(verbal diarrhea master): “Heck, I even heard the “ultra-conservative” Dr. Laura, probably 10 years ago, say people aren’t “mature” enough to marry until 28.”
Yep, I’ve heard that too. And she’s dead wrong(like Pseudonymous Commenter ). People used to marry much younger and stay together for life at much higher rates in decades past. It’s probably true that 22-year-olds were more mature back then, but that – and their willingness to stay together – was a result of cultural expectations. Those expectations no longer exist in American culture as a whole, but they do in some subcultures.
Oscar says:
August 7, 2014 at 9:33 pm
@Robin Munn
“I’m talking about the advice they probably get from the older Christians in their church who come from a different era and aren’t informed about the current realities of the SMP/MMP. Advice like ‘Just wait, he’ll come to you’”
Yep. I remember some girls in college repeating that terrible advice they heard somewhere. Some were pretty enough that it didn’t hurt them. Others were.. uh… not, and are still not married. Some even said ”Dave Ramsey’s financial advice is whack for a girl with my caboose & silicone dude!”I had NEVER heard such blasphemy!
Could these be the girls who dissed Dave Ramsey’s financial advice as whack?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IkESXo-5Nck
Going back to the job search analogy: imagine a pastor telling a parishioner who needs a job that all he/she needs to do is pray and the perfect job will come to them, with no more effort necessary on their part.NOT even getting butthext or lubing tips from DAL’ or Vox!???WOT!!!!????I mean WTF???
SEE how fun the 2014 Oscar was?
You have officially overwhelmed me with comments today.
Derek,
i, Pseudonymous Commenter & DR. Orion Taraban(who supposedly isn’t Pseudonymous Commenter) will tell ya about how women ” are the only humans who are hypergamous.
Women want better. Exchanging men out hoping to do “better” each time until they get the “best” they can. It’s like the Quantum Leap TV series, but with tons of gina and butt tingleslzlzlz ladz:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjK9GJMBpt0
Quantum Leap Theme / Intro / Opening – JUST THE INTRO (episode clip seamlessly edited out)
”An unknown force(”diving rod”?) driving their ginas and butts to change civilization and history for the better, ladz!”-like Dr. Albert Mohler seeing a woman’s clitoris as a divining rod for good men, dudes!
Men want more. Accumulating, racking them up, and keeping as many as possible. Better, worse, hotter, not so hot, doesn’t matter – he wants as many as he can get as long as they’re above the already-in-the-cellar attraction floor ladz as wimminz, go a little caca for the lotsa cockas of guys like ROISSY & GBFM.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFe5MGaQrGo
WOMEN want it ALL: study reveals what women want or are the only humans who are hypergamous ladz.(Again, DR. Orion Taraban is supposedly NOT Pseudonymous Commenter)after watching the 4 minutes and 5 seconds of the video you now understand hypergamy like DR. Orion Taraban/ Pseudonymous Commenter and the long time as in 15 years and a half mantra of alpha fuxs/beta buxs say, yes?
Final comment today.
I have another hypergamy post coming next week. Stay tuned.
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