Former reader and commenter Sharkly hss claimed many times that the image of God came only to men, that is, “biological males” and not “mankind.” A lot of discussion ensued, but I have never taken a chance to summarize the many articles and comments that came out of that discussion. Here is why Sharkly’s view is almost solely unique to him.
First, the attestation of the early writers of the church is overwhelmingly in favor of the traditional view. In my study, I found 10 early writers who argued for the affirmative compared to only 2 that argued for the negative. Sharkly claims over-and-over again that his viewpoint is the unanimously held opinion of the early church, but this is plainly false. He has not retracted his claim.
Second, Sharkly’s argument involved conflating grammatical gender and singularity/pluraity with physical or material sex and count. While these concepts involve considerable overlap, they are not identical in meaning even when they correlate. Sharkly interpreted the pronouns and verbs in the first few chapters of Genesis without adequately separating the grammatical from the material. In doing so, he came to a completely different conclusion from scholars and theologians who do not make this mistake.
Third, Sharkly claimed that meaning of Hebrew word for “Adam” excluded women. This was an absurd claim that led to logical contradiction (here, with regards to the reason God brought the flood and who and what he destroyed).
Fourth, the only Hebrew word that can possibly refer to humankind (all of humanity) as simply humanity is ‘Adam’. Sharkly cited a number of alternatives, but none were satisfactory.
Fifth, Sharkly’s claim regarding the dominion of man and the image of God was part of a circular argument. Sharkly spent many comments claiming that I was a liar, servant of Satan, and worshiper of women for calling it circular reasoning, going so far as to go to other forums to complain and try to drum up mob support, rather than address the substance of my claims.
Sixth, many writers over the centuries have argued that image of God in humanity was (partially) corrupted or (fully) lost in the Fall of Man. It was only completely and permanently restored in Christ. Consequently, redeemed Christians only attain the full image of God when they join with Christ’s body. Because women can be redeemed, this necessarily means that Christian women have the image of God.
Seventh, the passage that Sharkly loves to cite most—1 Corinthians 11—implies that both men and women are made in the image of God (see here), or at the very least does not say that anything about women having or not having the image of God (see here).
The existence of widows—who have no male ‘head’—makes Sharkly’s argument even less tenable. One letter from one of the early writers of the church indicates that it was the practice of widows not to veil. Furthermore, in some churches only married women wore veils. Presumably this was because the only way for women to be the glory of a man is if it is her husband and she is married to him. All other women are, like men, the glory and image of God.
Eighth, the potentially “conclusive” evidence that mankind kept the image of God between the Fall of Man and Christ is extra-biblical. If one holds to sola scriptura, then there is no evidence in the Word of God that the Image of God was retained at the Fall (and, thus, has potentially resided only in men).
Ninth, Sharkly argued that Genesis 1:27 says that females are not in the image of God because he believed there was a period present in the original Hebrew. When I pointed out his error, he eventually admitted that his reasoning was in error. Despite this lack of evidence, and the fact that he was proven wrong about it, he still insists that the passage supports his claim.
Tenth, while the Genesis 1:27 text is ambiguous and does not serve as evidence against Sharkly’s position, the fact is that he made an evidentiary challenge—as if the outcome of the challenge on that evidence would determine the issue—and then failed to change his view when he lost the challenge. If the evidence for one’s position is dismantled piece-by-piece and this does not result in a change of belief, then it cannot be said that the belief was based on that evidence. This is why I wrote:
Actually, I believe your view it is based on your axiom. You can only be guilty of begging-the-question if your belief isn’t axiomatic. I don’t actually think you are guilty of the logical fallacy [of circular reasoning], but I also [choose to] respect your [personally chosen] belief that it isn’t axiomatic. I don’t want to call you a liar, so I take you at your own word even though I don’t believe you.
In short, I allege that the belief that only males are created in the image of God is axiomatic—based on personal opinion and blind faith—rather than reasoned from evidence and argument.
Sharkly spent many comments claiming that I was a liar, servant of Satan, and worshiper of women for calling it circular reasoning, going so far as to go to other forums to complain and try to drum up mob support, rather than address the substance of my claims.
He has done similar to Scott, Jack, MOD & me,but with Scott and Jack it was mainly over their ”fornication is good for other MENZ daughters that I liberally boinked in support of feminism and anti-Patriarchy” and ”their twisting of definitions of words by upstanding bluepill backed speller books taught generations of American children how to bluepilled spell and read E.G. Noah Webster of which Sparkly is (supposedly)one of”
”claiming that I was a liar, servant of Satan, and worshiper of women”
He did something similar to MOD(at SF), and i,did it mainly because of our popularity (especially) among those who don’t 100% agree, i.e., even Scott and Jack with Tradcon Sparkly.
Even Jack vaguely hints here how big of an impact GBFM had at SF with this from his latest ”Performance”post:
The Most Views in One Day (All-Time)
February 18, 2021: 1,882 views
What happened that day? The one writing this comment first showed up that day is what happened!& Sparkly quickly sent an e-mail telling him of his intent to blackmail with this line”those people at SF would be angry if I told them you weren’t GBFM” if he thought he can blackmail Masculinity Himself-he was so up shite creek w/o a paddle as has proven to him and Jack ever since their war on GBFM began three years ago over a week ago.:
How have things gone at SF for instance since then?:
” This popularity boost from MOSES, JESUS & GBFM in 2021 continued(except for a heavily g@y, g@y porn detour that MOI insisted on on September 20th, 2021-if only I hadn’t hated MOSES, JESUS & GBFM in my effeminate Heart Trust like a ”good” RFER-no wonder MOSES, JESUS & GBFM have NEVER been at EDS nor CRS heh heh LOL SMH) through 2022 and 2023, and wa(y)ned in 2024 as MOD & Derek officially left sf for good like MOSES, JESUS & GBFM before them in July 2021.”
The Top 10 Most Commented Posts (All-Time)
These are all older posts written before 2024.
(NovaSeeker): The Lopsided Liberalized Mating Market (2021/2/17): 388 comments
Secrets (2021/8/18): 284 comments
Men’s Fantasy of Emotional Intimacy (2021/6/23): 281 comments
Comparing Carnal Chads and Churchian Cucks (2023/4/21): 248 comments
The Boring Loyal Dude (2022/5/11): 223 comments
The Status Signaling Narrative (2022/3/21): 223 comments
Nita Marie’s threesome with her second husband and God (2022/10/5): 213 comments
(NovaSeeker): The Centrality of Sex in Western Culture (2021/2/8): 209 comments
(NovaSeeker, Jack): Is Patriarchy for Deplorables? (2021/5/31): 205 comments
Artisanal Toad on Women’s Agency (2022/11/14): 199 comments
Notice those top ten posts are from either when MOSES, JESUS & GBFM, or MOD & Derek was still commenting at SF?
You know who knows better than anyone and has to even lie to himself about it?
Jack!
As seen here”* The outstanding performance in 2020-2021 is explained away here by MOI (MOSTLY)so I don’t have to admit Derek was right with the https://derekramsey.com/2023/05/18/is-the-sigma-frame-blog-in-decline/ post.
”The Suspicion
One of the things that has set Sigma Frame apart from other blogs (like Dalrock) was the relative diversity of thought. Towards the end of the Dalrock blog, it was getting a similar amount of engagement to Sigma Frame’s peak (in 2021), but the comment section was hostile, often crude and disrespectful, and significantly one-sided. This bled over into the posts themselves, as feedback on the posts became less constructive and more confirmatory. Sigma Frame appears to be headed in the same direction as Dalrock, including what appears to be an increase in editorial censorship (though nothing remotely close to how bad it was at Dalrock!).
During 2021, Sigma Frame experienced significant growth in readership and popularity, with popular post after popular post. At the time, articles with 200-400 comments were not uncommon. A recent post, “Comparing Carnal Chads and Churchian Cucks” (PDF), has achieved a level of popularity not seen since July, 2021. The result of the post was that influential female commenter Liz has exited the manosphere. She cited personal attacks as reason for her departure, and it is no wonder. The type of hostility she experienced has been growing at the blog and is, in my opinion, cause for concern.
I am not referring to mere disagreement on ideas, but personal attacks, mocking, and other such methods to shame and shut down discussion. Of course the other commenters denied doing so to Liz, which only made her exit all the more likely. And it now appears that frequent female commenter Elspeth has joined Liz in exiting as well, having not posted since.
Liz and Elspeth represented the predominate female perspective on Sigma Frame. They appear to be joining Jason—another frequent dissenter—in their exit from the space. Other bloggers, such as Deep Strength, Ed Hurst, and myself—who provide unique perspectives—have seemingly largely exited as well, to focus on their own blogs or other personal endeavors.
The result appears to be the beginning of a Dalrock-style echo chamber and the possible decline in engagement.”
”Does anyone seriously think that a 140 i.q. ”RP Genius” like MOI is going to agree with all that(especially with my quite ample yet effeminate Heart trust)?😍😍😍-that’s right!-one each for MOI, ED Hurst & CR-TR!!”
We should really start asking ourselves how long it will be before Sigma Frame shutters its doors.
Check out the drop in comments since the peak:
2021 – 12,718
2022 – 10,332
2023 – 7,417
2024 – 5,036
That’s a massive drop off! Now consider that the number of posts increased even as comments decreased:
2021 – 164
2022 – 182
2023 – 212
2024 – 206
One of the things I didn’t notice when I wrote “Is the Sigma Frame Blog in Decline?” was that many of the comments on Sigma Frame are internal pingbacks (i.e. not comments by actual people). So if WordPress doesn’t remove all the pingbacks from the comments-per-post stats, the actual drop off in commenting is even sharper than it appears.
Curiously, the list of total comments…
Oscar: 3.7K (+27.5%)
Thedeti: 3.1K (+14.8%)
Jack: 2.7K (+22.7%)
Info: 1.6K (+33.3%)
Feeriker: 1.3K (+18.2%)
Red Pill Apostle: 799 (+71.6%)
Bardelys the Magnificent: 487
…is more comments (13,686) than were posted the entire year (5,036). This must be the total number of comments of all time. Here is what happens if you do the total number of comments this year:
Oscar: ~800
Jack: ~500
Thedeti: ~400
Info: ~400
Feeriker: ~200
Red Pill Apostle: 335
Bardelys the Magnificent: less than 487
Dead Bedroom Dating: less than 232
Deti no longer comments regularly at Sigma Frame, with 1 comment in December, 8 in August, and to the 38 in July. It looks like the last article he seriously interacted with was the “Meritocracy vs. True Upward Mobility” post from August 19. Possibly due to a complete coincidence, he left Sigma Frame right after I posted “Sigma Frame Has Fallen” on August 13.
Feeriker had 16 comments in the final quarter of 2024. If that pace continues, he’ll comment only 64 comments in 2025. He has not commented yet in 2025.
Oscar, Jack, and Info (with a little help from RPA and BtM) seem to still be carrying most of the load.
Speaking of info, he posted 23 comments in December, 30 in November, and 47 in October. With two comments this year, he’s been below his pace—an average of 33 per month—since November.
Then you have Oscar, the leading contributor. He averaged 66 comments per month in 2024. He has two this month so far, 45 in December, 36 in November, and 38 in October. He is well below his normal pace.
Red Pill Apostle’s pace is 28 per month. He posted once this month so far, 10 times in December, 8 times in November, and only twice in October. He hasn’t posted comments regularly since July and August.
If the current pace continues, Feeriker, Info, Oscar, and RPA will combine to make ~1,100 fewer comments in 2025 than in 2024. But if the downward trend continues, it will be more than that. If the trends continue, I expect next year the total number of comments will be between 3,000 and 3,500.
…oh, well what do you know. Deti is back on SF. Maybe next year will be a revolution.
I ran the numbers on my own blog. I’ve had 2029 comments this year (about 40% of the volume that Sigma Frame gets). Here are the numbers:
Me: 618
Professor: 488
Lastmod: 469
Liz: 183
Malcolm Reynolds: 78
Sharkly: 76
Surfdumb: 53
Betty: 14
BtM: 11
Feeriker: 9
Jack: 4
Deti: 4
And 22 comments by 12 different commenters.
I also expect these numbers to decline in 2025, especially outside the top three. I would be shocked if it was anything else.
Well….part of it is “all that needs to be said, has been said about female nature and dating / mating / getting her to like you”
And a large swath of men. I wont dare to say the percentage or try to guess it; but are going to be single no matter what they do in todays world. Going to the gym, working on an oil rig, getting a STEM degree, moving to a small town where all the men have great high paying jobs and all the women are perfect tens and just want to be a wife………
Most of that side of the ‘sphere still thinks and believes if you get a good job at 18, you are in good shape, you have “confidence” that you are going to be irresistible to all women and you as a man will have a selection, choices, the ability to vett, test drive, have a line up…and then get married at 22
I grew up in a very rural area of the USA. The highest paid folks in Lake Placid with stable work were: The local doctor, the local lawyer, the local franchisee who owned the McDonalds, the Mobil gas station / mini-mart. The town Constable did well. Our fire dept was all volunteer…….the local bar owner did okay. The local president of the bank was pretty well off. A small town doesnt need 50 lawyers, 50 doctors, 200 people with a STEM degree
Everyone else? Seasonsal work in the winter sports industry, or summer seasonal work with the tourism with hikers, backpackers, and small scale lumbering.
The remainers were dirt farmers (poor) on welfare (a lot) , or like my parents and had to drive down to Albany 2.5 hours south, Plattsburgh maybe twenty away in good weather (the local bigger city, 25,000 people) and they worked at the hospital if you had a better than average job.
All the poor people? “it was their own fault and should have been a math teacher, got a STEM degree, been an engineer or started a business”
These men are honestly an “elite” in the sphere and per usual, all the loser guys who didnt have a life calling at age 2 or an IQ of 140 “well, they are messing everything up”
You cant talk, or reason with them on anything. Everything is Red Pill.
Also, people watch videos more now than read blogs. Also, many men just got tired and realized their methods and models only work if: You are deemed good looking on a cultural norm.
They will argue of course that they know tons and tons and tons of men who are butt ugly, short, and work a low profile job and bed nines and tens daily…..and date high value women because they have “confidence”
Outliers. And bedding women is hardly a life worth living or a raison d’ etre!
Anyway….its many factors why these blogs are declining. “Its a club, and you Mr. Average / bleow Average Man aint a part of it!”
Most men dont go where they are not wanted 😉
I expect that this will be the reason given.
This is why going to college is so expensive.
We don’t actually need every person to have a masters degree. We don’t actually need all those government regulated certifications that mandate higher degrees. We could get by with far less education and regulation.
The modern myth is that everyone needs to be—and can be—elite. The Manosphere is just a reflection of the wider social trend.
It’s all based on blankslatism, which is the fatal flaw of much of the Manosphere. It’s why, despite the acknowledgment of (supposed universal) Red Pill principles, there are no solutions.
All the solutions that rely on grit and hard work to improve your station just don’t work as general principles. They can’t.
Men, like Jack at Sigma Frame, believes that you just have to do more of the grinding dirty work in order to have greater success for men. But it simply isn’t true.
There is a big problem with high IQ people having no idea what life is like for the average 100 IQ person or the typical 85 IQ person. They presume that what works for them will work universally for everyone. It won’t.
Red Pill principles are meaningless to someone who thinks insurance is a government program that pays you when your car breaks down. But most Red Pillers don’t know that this is the reality for a sizeable percentage of men.
Fundamentally, their expectations for you are based on something you are not and never will be. Consequently, you can never meet their expectations and so they’ll never truly be on your side.
You cant talk, or reason with them on anything. Everything is Red Pill.
Also, people watch videos more now than read blogs. Also, many men just got tired and realized their methods and models only work if: You are deemed good looking on a cultural norm.
They will argue of course that they know tons and tons and tons of men who are butt ugly, short, and work a low profile job and bed nines and tens daily…..and date high value women because they have “confidence”
Outliers. And bedding women is hardly a life worth living or a raison d’ etre!
Anyway….its many factors why these blogs are declining. “Its a club, and you Mr. Average / bleow Average Man aint a part of it!”
Most men dont go where they are not wanted 😉”
What is really bad and SAD now?-Is that they think DAL is working on a book about chivalry(when he refused to do a book with St.Rollo in the 2010s?):
jvangeld says:
2025-01-08 at 12:03 am
Another factor is that so many of those discussions were about other people. A man would have a discussion in Dalrock’s comments, and then make a post about it at his own blog. When you are contemporaneous to the discussion, or a year or two out, it is easy to pick up the different characters and their view points. But now that so many blogs are gone, it’s hard to cross-reference and figure out what people were saying. This is the nature of blogging, or at least interactive blogging.
I think newcomers would benefit from the books that have come out of the sphere. Books are for the long term by nature. Like Stephen Casper’s, The Biblical Masculinity Blueprint. Or the Red Pill Christian Sidebar Compendium [PDF]. Or even Whiskey and Ashes, by Ace of Spades author Charles Spadille. These get to the meat of the issue, without discussing personalities so much.
When we read Paul’s letters, we are breaking into someone else’s correspondence. Eventually you figure out who Apollos was, but it is confusing at first.
I hope that Dalrock is writing a book on the problems of chivalry.
YET THE ONLY THING SADDER is that Jack thinks he can turn his now well-known to those that have eyes to see ”RP” vanity site and writings into a vanity press book or two SADD…
😢😭:
Jack says:
2025-01-08 at 1:28 am
“I think newcomers would benefit from the books that have come out of the sphere. Books are for the long term by nature.”
Eventually, a day will come when I feel my work as a blogger has reached its end. At that time, I will put together a collection of key topics and produce a book or two, maybe more.
See?-Jack(who obviously wanted the spotlight few ever get in the sphere or anywhere else in life period) nor Sharkly (who thinks he would have the spotlight all to himself if it wasn’t for the Scotts, MODS, MOSES, JESUS, GBFMS & yes Dereks of the world) can’t admit to themselves that after 7(about seven in Sparkly’s case)+years in the sphere, they are less successful than they have ever been today(best they ever did was in 2021 and its been downhill ever since.)
This is a BIG deal concerning them because of their hunger for the spotlight, power, authority and ”leadership” !
DAL had at least 15 or so commenters keeping him afloat between 2012 & 2015 then he started banning some of them one by one I.E. GBFM, TOAD & MOD(a few others like that ASDGamer guy he banned sometime before TOAD in September 2017), and was in his worst years afterward because of it.
Jack only really had Deti left(Oscar is mainly for parents and grandparents to read and like and certainly NOT for younger MEN ) to be that booster to his posts and other than there today he is usually gone now.
““Its a club, and you Mr. Average / bleow Average Man aint a part of it!””
Fundamentally, their expectations for you are based on something you are not and never will be. Consequently, you can never meet their expectations and so they’ll never truly be on your side.
This is what I have against ”I’ve never had even one BJ from my wife” St. Deti but mainly Sharkly-when Sharkly got the boot from his wife did he have to sleep in his car like so many other millions of MEN like RAY(who also was mainly based in Cali in RL & during his marriage and divorce) mainly from DAL once recounted on GUNNERq’ site i think in 2022?
Also. OT:
As you know, I live in Pasadena. The Altadena neighborhood, just a mile or so away from my apartment has been devastated by the Eaton Canyon fire.
We had had very high winds starting Monday…sustained gusts well over 90 mph. By Tuesday there was damage all over the area (trees knocked down). Roads closed. Stuff like that. The wind didnt let up. Tuesday night a fire started in Eaton Canyon around 6:30 pm…..and within a day it spread to over 11,000 acres. Total destruction of neighborhoods in Altadena. Lots of older homes dating from the 1920s thru the 1960’s.
My power was off Tuesday night. Evacuations of up to 35,000 people. I am safe, did not have to evacuate but the smoke is so thick. I can see the fire from my window. Its moving east to Sierra Madre. People have lost everything. Its very, very sad.
I didnt go to work on Wednesday but helped the local Salvation Army (brought my chainsaw) cut trees blocking roads, swept up, helped put debris from the windstorm in dumpsters….working along side City of Pasadena crews to help clean up the streets. We are not allowed up the fire evac zones.
Its bad out here. The other big fire in Pacific Palisades is just as bad…if not worse in some cases
Right now there is a big talk about the UK rape gangs from 15 years ago. All the sudden interest, as if we have not known about the problem for more than a decade. That’s government incompetence.
Now you have homes being destroyed by fire and they won’t be replaced because their insurance was dropped. Why? Because the state government wouldn’t allow those “evil insurance companies” to make a profit by raising rates to match actual costs. It’s literally in your stupid state’s code of law that insurance companies can’t consider future costs in their cost raises:
Consequently, seven major insurers moved out of the state. But the state runs its own insurance program. The problem? It’s completely financially insolvent, and this has been known for at least 9-months, if not far longer.
The program has about $400 billion in liabilities and a tiny fraction of that—less than one percent—in ability to pay out claims. Did your government do anything about the impending crisis? Absolutely not. So now more homes have been destroyed than there is money to pay for their replacement.
Then there is the fact that for decades, CA government has mismanaged its water resources and refused to do the absolutely necessary periodic controlled burns. This mass destruction is 100% the fault of government mismanagement. But, given that this is California, the worst run state in the nation, who can be surprised?
Just like UK rape gangs, the CA government officials just don’t want to hear about it. Rape of children? Homes destroyed? High fire risk? Can’t be bothered to deal with it. These people need to just accept their suffering in the name of social justice and social progress. They must pray and sacrifice to the climate change god!
One of these days your government is going to kill you one way or the other. The only advice I’ve ever given you was to “Get Out of Dodge.”
But at least you are helping out. I won’t say you are part of the solution, because you can’t personally solve the ineptitude that is your state government, but you can help your fellow man.
I was raised that in a local community. You help. Doesnt matter the politics, or if a man is “low value”. The neighborhood was a mess. City crews are very overwhelmed. Locals, The Salvation Army. The work crew from the local school. The workers at the one law firm. Teens. Retauarant owner on Lake Avenue. People put gloves on, got out brooms and saws. Had facemasks on bc of the smoke, and just started “tidying” up and getting things sorted. Cleaned up.
We pulled trees off the streets. We let the local power company handle downed wires. No touchy! Myself and other who had chainsaws (I had my dad’s Homelite from the 1970’s) started cutting up the bigger branches and trunks. People helped stack, swept up.
Apartment complexes, other businesses said “Hey throw that in our dumpster!” That kind of thing. This was happening all over my neighborhood.
That’s fantastic in the midst of destruction.
A few years ago a tornado ripped through our neighborhood (right through my back yard). Lots of downed trees, including a huge one in my back yard. Miraculously, despite dozens of fallen trees, none hit any of the houses. Afterwards, men were out with chainsaws helping to clear up the neighborhood.
You help out your fellow man, no questions asked.