Derek L. Ramsey

Clement of Alexandria To respond to this, we need only share a bigger quote: Clement believed that the flesh and blood of Christ were metaphors for the Holy Spirit and the Word of God that leads to eternal life (see Jesus’ reference to Isaiah 55 in John 6). Who can …

Irenaeus The first quote is just the plain observation that Jesus spoke the words of institution (“he confessed”) over created agricultural products: bread and wine. If anything is to be noticed at all, it is that Jesus called created things his body and blood. This is hardly the basis for transubstantiation …

Clement of Rome In “Letter to the Corinthians. §38,44”, Clement of Rome speaks of helping the poor, the giving of thanks (“ευχαριστειν”), and of presenting the tithe offerings or gifts (“δῶρα”), although as with Justin Martyr you need to reference Roman Catholic J.P. Migne’s Patrologia Graeca (1857–1866) in vol I, 285,300, to see how …

Ignatius Ignatius is either a flaming heretic, or he understands the elements metaphorically. First, Ignatius calls it the “Bread of God”, not the “Bread of Christ”, which either makes him deny the canonical Trinity doctrine or else he is using “bread” in a broader metaphor than Roman Catholics use it. …

Justin Martyr (100-165) Now let’s go over Justin Martyr’s First Apology in depth, specifically Chapters 13, and 65 through 67, where he describes the ‘Protestant’ liturgy in the second century. Chapter 13 describes the (2) offerings of “thanksgiving”, “thanks by word of processions” (Greek: διά λόγου πομπάς; Latin: rationalibus eum pompis; …

Didache FishEaters does not cite The Didache—found here—most likely because it describes a Eucharistic liturgy that is mutually exclusive with the Roman liturgy. The Didache is not a long read. I’ll quote portions of it here, but you can read its entirety quickly without worrying about out-of-context quotations. Chapters 9, …

The Eucharist Liturgy The original liturgy of the Eucharist is this… Dismissal — of the unbeliever, the catechumen, and the backslider. Eucharist — The offering (or sacrifice) of praise, thanksgiving, tithes, and firstfruits for the poor. Oblation — The presentation of the Eucharist to God with prayer and spoken “Amen.” …

This is part of a series on Roman Catholicism. See this index. Under my last post, a discussion ensued regarding the early patristic writers and the Roman Catholic Eucharistic liturgy. I made the following claim: Bardelys the Magnificent responded by informing us… …about Roman Catholic apologist Fisheater’s defense of the …