The Occult in the Mainstream Church, Part 2

NOTE: In this post I will be heavily referencing this article by Marcia Montenegro. I strongly recommend reading it at some point, either before or after this one.

“Occult mysticism has penetrated to the heart of mainstream American Christianity”

Throughout the last few posts, I’ve been discussing the corruption of the modern church by introduction of the occult. Most churchmen do not recognize this, because the occult has been dressed up in Christian language to make it seem innocuous and orthodox. In Part 1, we saw how Tim Keller—nominally Protestant—gave his allegiance to Marxists, mystics, and Roman Catholics largely without his flock noticing. One way this can be seen is how he was able to quietly repackage Marxism by calling it the Christian work ethic.

For some time, I’ve been attending the ValleyPoint Church. During the Covid Era, the church closed its doors at the behest of its government masters, letting everyone know who its true master was. During that time, I started attending another church that remained faithful. But I’ve never officially changed churches, attending both of them over the last few years.

I’ve been out of the area virtually the entire summer, whether in another country, state, or county, I have not attended church in a while. Part of me felt a little pang of conscience for skipping church, until this past Sunday when I went to ValleyPoint Church and heard this heresy preached from the pulpit by Joseph B. Modica:

Those who read this blog know that over the last few weeks there has been a convergence of topics on this blog. Whether the discussion was mutual submission, scriptural inspiration, mysticism, sectarianism, the mark of the beast, eschatology, justification by faith, the Eucharist, prophecy, or the recent political discussions, everything has come to a head: a recognition of the war between Christ and his church and the ruler of this world, Satan.

Unbeknownst to me, not only was I—and my family!—supposed to have been missing the last seven weeks of church, but I had been being prepared for this sermon series for the last few months, attending church only when I was finally ready to address it without being deceived.

As for my readers, the purpose here is to address what reader Malcolm Reynolds has been implying: that the occult influences in the modern church are overblown and nothing more than an unfounded “Satanic Panic.” In this post I will demonstrate, conclusively, why this is not the case.

John Mark Comer is a former megachurch pastor of Bridgetown Church, Portland, Oregon. He stepped down from that church to found a movement entitled “Practicing the Way” which is the name of his book on the subject. To briefly summarize, it is part of the spiritual discipline movement, which, like all mysticism, has its roots in the occult.

Through the series at my church they have been discussing and advocating Comer’s movement, which includes nine key disciplines:

Sabbath
Solitude/Silence
Prayer
Fasting
Scripture
Community
Generosity
Service
Witness

Do these sound familiar to you? Variations on this theme are pretty common.

But first, I’ll let Brad East, a Roman Catholic writing for Christianity Todayexplain as he heaps praise on Comer (emphasis added):

Brad East
[H]e’s been reading himself into the great tradition. This is nowhere more evident than in the newest book, whose endnotes might include more references to “catholic” sources (whether Roman, Eastern, or Anglican) than to evangelical ones. I lost count of the times Comer quotes a saint: Isaac of Nineveh, Gregory of Nyssa, Maximus Confessor, Ignatius of Antioch, Ignatius of Loyola, Teresa of Ávila, Benedict, Jerome, and many more. This is most welcome.

Marcia Montenegro concurs:

Marcia Montenegro @ Christian Answers for the New Age
Contemplative Practices are the heart of Comer’s teachings. Comer states he had a Jesuit spiritual director (34). In this section and throughout the book, Comer quotes mystics such as St. John of the Cross, Teresa of Avila, Madame Guyon, several Jesuits, Brother Lawrence, Quaker mystic Thomas Kelly, Roman Catholic mystic Henri Nouwen, Vineyard mystic and former Quaker John Wimber (d. 1997), mystic writer Gary Thomas, contemplative Peter Greig, Mormon Steven Covey (d. 2018), Quaker mystic Richard Foster, contemplative Eugene Peterson (d. 2018), the late Dallas Willard (d. 2013; there are many quotes from Willard in this book because Comer considers him a mentor), Willard’s disciple John Ortberg, mystic James. A. Connor (former Jesuit priest who drew on Zen Buddhism for meditation), and too many others to list.

I suggest reading the CANA articles that include disturbing information on Willard here and here.

Contemplative teachings are about seeking to have experiences of and with God based on methods from mystics, medieval monasticism, Eastern meditation methods, and unsound doctrine.

She also notes that Comer approves of Rob Bell, M. Robert Mulholland (A Contemplative with Buddhist influences), Jr., Kallistos Ware, Dan Allender, and David G. Benner (Contemplative Perennialist).

This is similar to what we found with Tim Keller in Part 1. Both Keller and Comer approvingly cite mystics and Roman Catholics, often both together. Comer is much more brazen about it.

Now let’s talk about “Practicing the Way.” Did you notice that it is made up of nine disciplines? Did you notice that symbol he uses:

What is the significance of this? The Enneagram wheel:

Notice the nine points. Do you recall what we said in Part 1?

Derek L. Ramsey
In one of his books, Keller writes positively of Adele Ahlberg Calhoun. She’s a “certified Enneagram instructor.”  They wrote a book entitled “Spiritual Rhythms of the Enneagram: A Handbook for Transformation..” We’ll talk more about this topic in the next post, but she and her husband are mystical spiritualists, as well as Roman Catholics who advocate Roman Catholic idolatry (in the Eucharist) as a form of spiritual discipline.

What does a scientifically dubious personality test have to do with the occult? The answer, rather simply, is that it has the same thing to do with the occult that astrology does. I didn’t believe it at first, but that was before I looked into it and saw for myself.

The Gospel Coalition explains the Enneagram (emphasis added):

The Gospel Coalition
The earliest mention of the Enneagram is found in the writings of the Russian occultist P. D. Ouspensky, who attributes it to his teacher, the Greek American occultist Georges I. Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff considered the Enneagram a symbol of the cosmos, but made no connection with it to personality types.

It was left to another occultist, Óscar Ichazo, to connect the Enneagram to personality. Ichazo claimed to have discovered the personality type meaning of the Enneagram when it was taught to him by the Archangel Metraton while he was high on mescaline.

One of Ichazo’s students, a Chilean-born psychiatrist named Claudio Naranjo (another occultist) was the first to connect the nine points of the Enneagram to nine basic personality types. (Naranjo also appears to be the one to connect the mention of the Enneagram by Gurdjieff and Ouspensky to ancient sources.)

In the 1970s, students of Naranjo spread the Enneagram to various Catholic communities, especially in mystical and contemplative circles. Some of the promoters of the Enneagram include the former Jesuit Don Riso, the Franciscan friar Richard Rohr, and late Benedictine nun Suzanne Zuercher.

In 1997, Riso co-founded the Enneagram Institute, an organization that helped bring the Enneagram to a broader audience.

The associations of the Enneagram with occult spirituality is pretty unambiguous. And, like other astrological methods, it has no basis in rational reality (i.e. it isn’t statistically valid). But, it’s spiritual so that makes it okay, I guess?

This is, interestingly, not all that different from Yoga. Take something steeped in the occult and dress it up in an innocuous form for consumption by American Christian audiences (in that case, mostly women).

The origin of the Enneagram is both occult and Roman Catholic. But, like Yoga, the Gospel Coalition can’t quite put its finger on what might be wrong with it—as if the origin isn’t enough—and ultimately concludes that it’s up to each Christian to decide whether it is good or not.

This is curious, because while scripture did promote discernment for many things, it didn’t leave false messiahs, false prophets, and false gospels up to discernment (for those keeping score at home, that means you don’t incorporate other religions). To its credit, it does end with this warning:

Kevin DeYoung
If the Enneagram were another version of What Color Is Your Parachute? or Strengths Finder, that would be fine. But it has been, from its inception (whenever that was), infused with spiritual significance. And therein lies the danger.

Well, that was a big setup. Now let’s read what Comer himself wrote here (emphasis added):

On the road to discovery our identity and calling we quickly bump up against the wall of sin. Sin is a bit of a loaded, religious word, but all it means is to “miss the mark,” to fall short of the life that God has for you.

Richard Rohr defined sin this way: “Sins are fixations that prevent the energy of life, God’s love, from flowing freely. (They are) self-erected blockades that cut us off from God and hence from our own authentic potential.”

So if we want to experience God – the source of life – and reach our full potential, we have to find a way past the “blockades” in our life, i.e. our sin. But our “sin” is more than just our behavior; it’s our shadow side, which Pete Scazzero defined as “the accumulation of untamed emotions, less-than-pure motives and thoughts that, while largely unconscious, strongly influence and shape your behaviors. It is the damaged but mostly hidden version of who you are.”

The tricky thing is that we are often blind to our own shadow side. The human capacity for self-deception is staggering.

One tool that followers of Jesus have used for over a millennia and a half to reveal and repent of our shadow side is the Enneagram: a theory of personality test that deals with your root sin and root motivation.

Part 3 of our Practice is the Enneagram. It’s not for the faint of heart; but it’s a giant leap forward on the road to self-discovery.  

Does this send shivers down your spine?

Comer cites Franciscan friar Richard Rohr, one of the chief proponents of the Enneagram. You can read more about him and the heresy of Perennialism here. The Bible does not define sin as something that blocks one from achieving your “authentic potential.” Christianity is not about “self-discovery.” These are occult, new age concepts. This mystical new-age mumbo-jumbo nonsense is, frankly, not hidden at all. Notice too the emphasis on emotions.

All that stuff about the “shadow side” (and the reference to Pete Scazzero) is integral to the Ennagram and is part of the language of astrology. It comes from Carl Jung.

Comer, having redefined sin, is teaching a false gospel. And our churches just eat this stuff up.

As regular readers of this blog are aware, the antichrist arose in the late 4th century with the establishment of the papacy and the rise of Roman Catholicism. Notice that Comer identifies the use of the occult by the “…followers of Jesus … for over a millennia and a half…” That is a truth mixed with a lie.

Comer—like Ed Hurst of Radix Fidem and this blog’s commentarian Malcolm Reynolds—differentiates the Western Christian from the true Christian (what Comer calls the “Apprentice,” his translation for the word ‘disciple’). They both emphasize how so-called Western modes of rational thought are incomplete and can never help one achieve a higher spiritual success. To wit (emphasis added):

John Mark Comer
“It’s not that words in prayer are bad; they aren’t. It’s just that you reach a point in any relationship, especially with God, where words and even thoughts no longer carry you forward toward intimacy. They bring you far but not all the way. They may even hold you back.”

God is not a concept or emotion, and he’s certainly not a doctrine in a statement of faith or a chapter in a theology book…

…there is a kind of knowledge that goes beyond words, a kind you can get only by direct person-to-person experience

God chose to communicate with us in words, and he told us to communicate with him using words in prayer. He taught us nothing else and neither did the Apostles. Recall what I said in “Sigma Frame Has Fallen:”

The means God chose to communicate with us has always been by words. Eve was given verbal instructions. The angels gave their messages in words. The prophets delivered verbal messages from God. The Law of God was written down. None of the patriarchs of scripture were given impressions, they were told using words. And, just as our communication from God is in words, so too is the mode in which we will be judged by our words:

Matthew 12:36-37
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

How different this is from those who seek mystical experiences!

At its core, mysticism is revealed to be discontent with the ways that God himself established for his relationship with his people. Having primed themselves for disappointment with mere words (and thoughts in the mind) and being disillusioned by the “limitations” of scripture, they become enamored with mystical experiences, roped in by the powerful emotional impact that such contact with spiritual forces brings. The deception is so very alluring to one who longs for it. Mystics crave experience like an addict craves another hit (and, unsurprisingly, drugs are often used to enter alternate spiritual states).

Marcia Montenegro @ Christian Answers for the New Age
What kind of knowledge about God is beyond words? I guess Comer cannot tell us because it is “beyond words.” That means it is esoteric, a Gnostic type knowledge that cannot be communicated. Moreover, Comer is using words to say there is a knowledge beyond words.

Note that Comer uses the word “knowledge,” not “experiences.” He states the knowledge comes from experience, which means one must have the experience. But God gave us his revelation in words. Scripture does not tell us we must have a certain experience to get more knowledge. And how would this “person-to-person experience” arise? For Comer and other contemplatives, it is the experiences resulting from doing contemplative practices.

Spiritual experiences are not bad, but they should – and do — result from walking in faith with Christ, reading Scripture, serving God, and from worship. They cannot be manufactured.

This is what Jack means when he says that truth is sentient and not a matter of proposition.

This is what Ed Hurst means when he differentiates between the heart and mind. The mind cannot comprehend what is in the heart, for the heart is beyond words. Hurst attempts to manufacture greater experiences (and “covering”) by creating a community centered around Jesus as Feudal Lord in an Ancient Near East context.

By contrast (emphasis added):

Marcia Montenegro @ Christian Answers for the New Age
Comer says he is “with” theologian Karl Rahner, who has been viewed as a panentheist   (most mystics seem to have a panentheistic view) and quotes him:

“The Christian of the future will be a mystic or he will not exist at all.” (51)

My response is that no Christian should be a mystic, because mysticism is experience-oriented, not scripture based, and the overall teachings either denigrate or even mock guarding sound doctrine and studying God’s word or render these as inferior.

In fact, Comer’s words confirm these concerns when he makes the point that mystics want to “experience” God’s love and be “transformed.” That means that the Bible and the Holy Spirit have not given us the information nor the means to experience and know God’s love and be transformed. We need additional teachers (like Comer and the hordes of Contemplatives in the church) and methods to produce experiences to get us there. This is one reason this a counterfeit Christianity. Despite Comer arguing for dependence on the Holy Spirit and that the “practices” are not a self-improvement program, it ends up being sanctification by manmade means, by the flesh, as warned about in Galatians 3:3:

Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

The Word of God stands supreme.

During the sermon, Joseph B. Modica cited from the book “Unchristian” by Kinnaman and Lyons. Here is a partial transcript from around the 43:00 to 45:00 minute mark.

They spoke to 400 plus people who don’t identify as Christian and asked them “when you hear the word ‘Christian’ what’s the first thing that comes to mind?” …

Hypocritical
Too focused on getting converts
Antihomosexual
Sheltered (old fashioned boring out of touch with reality)
Too political
Judgmental

Well. Welcome to Christianity. Wow.

Now of course this is not an indictment of anyone here or it may not even be accurate on the larger scale. Not all Christians embody these characteristics. I’m talking about perception here.

Imagine a Christian who takes seriously the Great Commission as their primary purpose. Or imagine a Christian who takes seriously Jesus’ teaching on human sexuality. What a judgmental, hypocritical, political, and sheltered person that must be! Such a person surely stands against pursuing one’s “authentic self.” Right?

You can just hear Modica’s seething hatred and judgment of conservative Christians in this paraphrase: “Of course, I’m sure none of those hateful things apply to anyone here. Hint. Hint. It’s just fringe nutcases who believe that!” It’s a not-so-subtle “If you think homosexuality is a sin, you are not welcome here,” which is ironic considering that a key point of the sermon was that Christians should be welcoming to all kinds of people (see minute 51:00).

The irony, of course, is that the anti-Christian far left is extremely hypocritical, political, and judgmental. They absolutely hate anyone who holds to Christian sexual ethics or other “old fashioned” moral standards, and they’ll try to convert you by force or try to get you fired from your job if you get in their way. It would be more accurate to say that those 400+ people who don’t “identify” as Christian are projecting.

Are you surprised that a person pushing “Christian” mysticism doesn’t respect the Word of God and engages in propaganda indoctrination?

You will know them by their fruit.

On Monday we showed (here) how occult mysticism has penetrated one small online virtual Christian community. On Tuesday, we saw (here) how it corrupted one Red Pill Manosphere blog. But these were just small fish. On Wednesday, we started (here) the discussion of how this occult mysticism has penetrated to the heart of mainstream American Christianity. Today we finished it. On Friday (here), we will revisit Radix Fidem’s—and Sigma Frame’s—unbiblical division of the heart and mind and the discover the reasons for the attacks on using your mind.

Works in this series:

The Occult in the Mainstream Church, Part 1
The Occult in the Mainstream Church, Part 2” (this article)
The Occult in the Mainstream Church, Part 3
The Occult in the Mainstream Church, Part 4

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  2. “Mystics crave experience like an addict craves another hit …”
    Like Charismatics crave another “outpouring of spirit” or another phony card-trick miracle.

    Faith seemingly isn’t enough for them.

    “If I find in myself desires which nothing in this world can satisfy, the only logical explanation is that I was made for another world.” ~ C.S. Lewis

    They long for something more but lack the wisdom to accept their fate in this life, hoping to attain a satisfaction they can never find in this life. They vainly seek what God has denied to them in their present corrupt state.

    Here is what you should do: Treat yourself well and enjoy life with your beloved woman during the fleeting years of your futile work here on earth. Work your heart out while you can, because there is no work, no deliberating, nor even contemplation that is done by the dead. You will never truly get what you long for during this earthly life, this world has been cursed to futility in that regard. This realm cannot be made perfect again by the corrupt creatures who first defiled it. So, fear God and keep His commandments, that is your duty, as His creature, and the standard He has given you by which He will judge your every word and deed.

    We need God’s redemption not some fleeting feeling or a false satisfaction found in numbing the mind to our true desire for the restoration of perfection and full fellowship with God. The quest for mystical communion with some other spirit is a fool’s quest. If you have God’s Holy Spirit living in you, then that, and prayer, is the ultimate communion that you are currently offered with God, and that should be enough for now. We are to live by faith, not by voices, or feelings, or a third eye, or omens, or astrology, or fortune telling, or by numerological code, or even by ancient near eastern culture as taught by a modern mystic.

    Eve’s move to gain more hidden knowledge than what God had allotted for her, proverbially opened Pandora’s box. She was blameless before God while she lived by faith according to all the commands and information she had been allotted. But she was tempted into seeking out hidden knowledge through doing what had been forbidden. She was not content to remain living by faith, and thus she became first in the transgression. According to God, Adam’s sin was hearkening to the woman’s instructions rather than God’s.

    When the mystics entice you saying, “Don’t settle for your limited Scripture knowledge and faith therein, join us in reaching out for more guidance from beings in the unseen realm”, you’re best off not joining them in their quest for secrets from the spirit realm. There is already enough recorded information here on earth to be investigated, that you’ll never have time to read it all in a lifetime. You have no need to go dabble in the devil’s domain, just to get something more to evaluate. Wean yourself of such desire, be content with what has already been revealed.

  3. professorGBFMtm

    Zlolzzzlollzzzz

    You can just hear Modica’s seething hatred and judgment of conservative Christians in this paraphrase: “Of course, I’m sure none of those hateful things apply to anyone here. Hint. Hint. It’s just fringe nutcases who believe that!” It’s a not-so-subtle “If you think homosexuality is a sin, you are not welcome here,” which is ironic considering that a key point of the sermon was that Christians should be welcoming to all kinds of people (see minute 51:00).

    The irony, of course, is that the anti-Christian far left is extremely hypocritical, political, and judgmental. They absolutely hate anyone who holds to Christian sexual ethics or other “old fashioned” moral standards, and they’ll try to convert you by force or try to get you fired from your job if you get in their way. It would be more accurate to say that those 400+ people who don’t “identify” as Christian are projecting.

    Are you surprised that a person pushing “Christian” mysticism doesn’t respect the Word of God and engages in propaganda indoctrination?

    You will know them by their fruit.”

    These guys like the left who just 30+ years ago said in 99+% unison ”Abortion is a necessary evil that I hate” was also just 20+ years ago saying in 99+ % unison like most ”Conservatives” ”Marriage is only between one(1) MAN & one(1) woMAN” now don’t preach that but ”ALL is ‘clean” like the rest of ”current year” inc- which is why things like the paraphrase ”“Of course, I’m sure none of those hateful things apply to anyone here. Hint. Hint. It’s just fringe nutcases who believe that!” get I Zlolzzlollzzzing-when they proudly were that in recent history when they thought it would score them points and why politics is NOT for Christians as Detrek has said before.

    Also good on Sharkly for going against the current orthodoxy being pushed in ”red pill” land.

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  6. professorGBFMtm

    More from a modern-day saint why Christians should not have anything to do with politics!:

    thedeti says:
    16 August, 2024 at 4:47 pm
    Who is President TODAY.
    Who is signing stuff from Congress, Who is Commander in Chief?

    Just to add to CP’s excellent thumbnail summary:

    Joseph R. Biden, Jr. is the individual who holds the office of President under Article I of the US Constitution. Officially, he is presumed to act upon bills from Congress, and is presumed to be CINC of US Armed Forces. Biden is also officially the head of the congressionally-created Executive Office of the President, by which he has staff who assist him in said duties.

    Officially.

    The people who are really running things are a cabal of individuals, mostly partisans, operatives, and political appointees, associated with the Democrat National Committee and the Democrat party. These individuals include:

    –Jeff Zients, the White House Chief of Staff

    –Barack Obama (BHO) and Michelle Obama

    –Bill and Hillary Clinton

    –Jaime Harrison, DNC Chair

    –Nancy Pelosi (former House Speaker)

    –Chuck Schumer (Senate Majority Leader)

    –Hakeem Jeffries (House minority Leader)

    –AOC (congresscritter from New York and media gadfly)

    –members of the DNC (comprised of around 125 individual members consisting of state Democrat party chairs, power brokers, a few “superdelegates”, and big money donors)

    Biden’s “presidency” is widely regarded as BHO’s third term. BHO has been deeply involved in Biden’s administration as well as anything involved in national level Democrat party politics. The Clintons have been less involved in Biden’s administration, but are still active in Dem party politics. The Obamas and the Clintons were deeply involved in the decision to ask, then pressure, then force, Biden to decline to seek reelection. News came out that Harris was going to Am 25 Sec 4 Biden – she was going to go to the Biden Cabinet and get them to certify Biden’s incapacity to Congress and then become acting president.

    Harris would never, ever have done this without a suggestion from, and then full support from, the Obamas and the Clintons. Clearly, Harris was going to do this; but the order came from those 4 people. As much as Trump owns the GOP & in a similar way ROISSY=Heartiste & GB4M still own the ROISSY/MANosphere ”red pill” party; the Obamas and the Clintons own the Democrat Party. Whatever those 4 people want, they will get – and when they decided Biden had to go, it was going to be done by any means necessary.

    At the end of the day, the Democrat Party, and the country, are being run by the Obamas and the Clintons right now.

    thedeti says:
    16 August, 2024 at 4:48 pm
    Everyone else including the DNC, Biden, and Harris, are doing the bidding of the Obamas and the Clintons. Reason: The Dems listen to them, because they know how to win national elections with all the right ”rightwing” connections Y’ALL!

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