A preprint study was recently released which perhaps provides some insight to the observation recently made at “When Should You Get Married?” regarding those with top 2% intelligence. It would seem to apply to the common Manosphere male archetype, a college educated man with above-average intelligence.
Want to be an incel for life? Have a lot of upper body strength, a high IQ, a great education, and stay away from alcohol and cigarettes. It also helps somewhat if you are on the autism spectrum.
Oh, and before you ask, the effects are similar for both male and female.
The largest investigation to date on not having had sex late in life:
Our study of >400 thousand individuals links sexlessness to higher education, lower substance use, personality, mental health, physical traits, regional characteristics, and genetics.
”Want to be an incel for life? Have a lot of upper body strength, a high IQ, a great education, and stay away from alcohol and cigarettes. It also helps somewhat if you are on the autism spectrum.”
” alcohol and cigarettes.”
Shouldn’t that be alcohol and drugs or at least as Fred Sandford used to say ”ripple and latin lettuce”šššš
Or are you saying, like the manosphere used to seem like it was saying to GBFM(who was at nearly the same time representing the GREAT MEN in history & the casual Conservative reader of the sphere with his observations and questions) by promoting game
”When in Rome, butthex like the Romans do”-which i forgot was attributed to St. Ambrose
You also know Heartiste told everyone about high inhibitions in a study on this post?:https://heartiste.org/2018/05/18/power-approach-and-inhibition-a-study-of-alpha-males-and-beta-males/
”Power, Approach, And Inhibition: A Study Of Alpha Males And Beta Males
May 18th, 2018 by CH
A very interesting paper examines power relations in humans, and in so doing illuminates classic dichotomies between the behaviors of alpha males and beta males. Link.
This article examines how power influences behavior. Elevated power is associated with increased rewards and freedom and thereby activates approach-related tendencies. Reduced power is associated with increased threat, punishment, and social constraint and thereby activates inhibition-related tendencies. The authors derive predictions from recent theorizing about approach and inhibition and review relevant evidence. Specifically, power is associated with (a) positive affect, (b) attention to rewards, (c) automatic information processing, and (d) disinhibited behavior. In contrast, reduced power is associated with (a) negative affect; (b) attention to threat, punishment, othersā interests, and those features of the self that are relevant to othersā goals; (c) controlled information processing; and (d) inhibited social behavior. The potential moderators and consequences of these power-related behavioral patterns are discussed.
If you want to get over Approach Anxiety, feel more powerful. (Likewise, by the transitive property of the behavior-cognition-emotion feedback loops, if you want to feel more powerful, start approaching more girls.) Easier said than done? This is one of those studies where most of the useful gems of knowledge are tucked deep in the paper and only alluded to in the abstract.
Power influences human behavior. When you have it, you act differently, in accordance with the goals of someone who expects deference, gratitude, and reward. When you donāt have it, the world is a frightening place. You act like a trembling field mouse waiting for a hawk to swoop from the air and carry you off.
First, a relevant quote:
The fundamental concept in social science is Power, in the same sense that Energy is the fundamental concept in physics . . . The laws of social dynamics are laws which can only be stated in terms of power. (Russell, 1938, p. 10)
All human interaction can be stripped down to battles for power, on macro and micro levels. Power in this usage means the ability to influence our social environment to our personal advantage. The study authors define power asā¦
ā¦an individualās relative capacity to modify othersā states by providing or withholding resources or administering punishments. This capacity is the product of the actual resources and punishments the individual can deliver to others.
Resources and punishments can be material (food, money, economic opportunity, physical harm, or job termination) and social (knowledge, affection, friendship, decision-making opportunities, verbal abuse, or ostracism). The value of resources or punishments reflects other individualsā dependence on those resources.
The perceived freedom with which individuals can deliver resources and punishments to others also influences the individualās level of power. Beliefs about the exercise of power figure prominently in cultural values and moralsā¦as well as attitudes within personal relationships. Beliefs about the freedom to exercise power can come into conflict with the actual resources and punishments the individual can deliver to othersāa tension that we elaborate on later.
Emphasis mine. Game largely resides in the domain of social resources and punishments, ie mindfucking.
If social status is power, what is status?
Our definition also distinguishes power from related constructs. Status is the outcome of an evaluation of attributes that produces differences in respect and prominence. Status in part determines the allocation of resources within groups and, by implication, each individualās power. However, it is possible to have power without status (e.g., the corrupt politician) and status without relative power (e.g., a readily identified religious leader in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles). Authority is power that derives from institutionalized roles or arrangements, but power can exist in the absence of formal roles (e.g., within informal groups). Dominance is behavior that has the acquisition of power as its end, yet power can be attained without performing acts of dominance (e.g., leaders who attain their positions through their cooperative and fair-minded style). Thus status, authority, and dominance are all potential determinants of power as we define it.
In seduction, a manās status, authority, and dominance are each alone highly arousing to women, but together they create the archetypal powerful alpha male which few women can resist. See: our President.
Letās dig into the relevant meat of the paper that addresses, if obliquely, the power dynamics between alpha and beta males as pertains to pickup and approaching women.
Of the many objects of social attention, we will focus on three: rewards or punishments, other individuals, and the self. We propose that high-power individuals, who are disposed to approach, will attend to potential rewards rather than to threats and as a consequence will construe others through a lens of self-interest. In contrast, low-power individuals will be more sensitive to threats than rewards and will therefore construe themselves vis-a`-vis othersā interests.
Alphas donāt see women as a threat and expect good reactions (rewards) from approaching women, so they feel less inhibited. They are embodiments of male privilege, feeling entitled to rewards from women and seeing them as avenues to fulfill their self-interest. Naturally, women reward these entitled privileged men because women are attracted to confident men.
Betas see every interaction with women as a potential mine field of shame and humiliation and rejection, so theyāre more cautious and fearful of approaching women. Betas are also overly empathic and concerned with womenās feelings; they are the opposite of entitled, always assessing their own actions for how they may impact othersā feelings. This is why PUAs say betas ālive in their headsā which gets in the way of their romantic success.
A related prediction is that elevated power will increase the tendency to perceive rewards and opportunities in ambiguous acts and interactions (Hypothesis 6). One suggestive line of studies finds that men, who might be assumed to occupy positions of elevated power, perceive sexual interest in womenās ambiguous behavior.
Self-entitled men do better with women because theyāre more likely to bust a move, perceiving sexual interest from women where there might not be any. This is an advantageous self-deception because 1. it motivates approaching women which increases his romantic opportunities and 2. it projects supreme self-confidence which is attractive to women.
A complementary prediction is that low-power individuals will perceive themselves as a means to the ends of high-power individuals, or as the instrument of othersā goals and desires. [ā¦]
We have posited that high-power individuals selectively attend to rewards and how others satisfy self-interests, whereas low-power individuals attend to punishment and threat and construe the self through a lens of othersā interests.
Alphas are a means to their own ends.
Betas are a means to othersā ends.
This has sexual market implications.
Betas need to be more selfish to succeed at attracting women.
Alphas can become too selfish and sabotage their relationships (platonic and romantic). Often, alphas could benefit from being more selfless.
The approach system modulates processes related to eating, offensive aggression, and sexual behavior. Power should therefore increase the performance of approach related behaviors in these and other domains. Power should prompt the performance of simple approach behaviors (Hypothesis 18), such as entering the social space of others and initiating physical contact. Indeed, high levels of touching behavior correlate with being male, being older, and having higher SES. Studies of adults and children indicate that high-status, powerful individuals are more likely to approach subordinates at interpersonal distances that indicate intimacy.
Game concept vindicated: kino escalation. Get physical sooner rather than later if you want to improve your meet-to-lay ratio with women.
ā¦high-power individuals should be more likely to engage in aggressive acts (Hypothesis 24). Several research literatures lend support to this prediction. Across contexts (e.g., school playgrounds, hospital settings, and summer camps), high-status individuals are more likely to tease (rather than avoid the potentially offensive teasing in the first place), and when they tease, they do so in more hostile ways. In one study of heterosexual and homosexual relationships, the partner who was less committed to the relationship, and therefore more powerful, was more likely to bully the partner.
Bullying is a cue for power. This helps explain why women are attracted to, and stay with, a-holes: a-holery is a proxy for power, which in a man is a highly attractive trait.
We have not portrayed power in a flattering light. High-power individuals tend to act in ways that disregard conventions, morals, and the effects on others. Yet approach-related behavior can be of a more prosocial nature, and our analysis and the supportive findings of Chen and colleagues (2001) do suggest that high-power individuals will engage in behaviors that violate social norms in prosocial ways. Some of these behaviors include intervening in emergencies or helping others in distress, mediating conflicts, and expressing approval and affection.
I can think of one other, very topical, prosocial way that powerful men violate social norms: speaking ugly truth to globohomo power.
High-need-for-power individuals engaged in profligate gambling, drinking, and sexual licentiousness less often when two kinds of life events enhanced their accountability: having younger siblings and becoming a parent. In fact, the social responsibilities tied to having a younger sibling or being a parent led high-power individuals to engage in more prosocial, approach-related behaviors, such as involvement in voluntary organizations. More generally, we would predict that accountability would lead to less approach-related emotion, more attention to others, and more careful cognition in high-power individuals.
Unsurprisingly to anyone who isnāt a liberal, accountability regulates the expression of power. Relaxing accountability leads to more abuses of power (see for example, the modren American woman).
Accountability is enhanced by younger siblings and parenthood. This should send up a red flag. In European Christendom, White family sizes are shrinking and parenthood is delayed. The consequence will be powerful people expressing their power in less prosocial ways and with more self-gratifying impulsivity.
High-power individuals may be more likely to stereotype others or perceive homogeneity in their social worlds because those with less power inhibit the expression of their actual attitudes.
Weak, spineless soyboys and low value skanky pussyhatters cling to kumbaya universalism because they donāt have the balls nor the smv to express their true feelings.
When do the powerful fall? When their disinhibition becomes pathological:
The very individuals who might keep in check this pattern of [high-power individualsā] behaviors, those with less power, are constrained in thought, word, and action.
This analysis just as readily reveals the conditions for social change: The excesses of powerful leadersātheir propensity for disinhibited behavior and stereotypic, error-prone social perceptionsā
Virtue signaling leftoid equalists.
are certain to feed into the processes that lead to changes in leadership.
Hello, Deep State!
These speculations make contact with social psychologyās longstanding interest in authority and group dynamics, as seen in Lewin, Lippitt, and Whiteās (1939) early investigation of authoritarian and egalitarian playgroups; Sherif, Harvey, White, Hood, and Sherifās (1961) Robbers Cave experiment; Janisās (1972) discussion of groupthink; and Emersonās (1962) lasting observation that low-power individuals constrain the actions of high-power individuals by affording them respect and status and thus controlling their public reputation.
Rescinding the respect and status that low-power people accord high-power people will render the latter less powerful. Or, to put it in Heartistian terms, The Mocking Shiv will Save the West.”
On a certain incel blackpill(the lack of hope, joy, and in general lack of CHRIST is heartbreaking there-they are the exact opposite of guys like GBFM & the GREAT MEN in history, as too many speak of ”roping” just because of women NOT giving them s*x?) site i’ve been reading here and there at since mid-June, many of them know they have high inhibitions, which contributes to their inceldom.
With Incels. Many are on the “spectrum” but not full blown, nor needing “therapy” and treatment (medication).
We at one time we just called this a “personality quirk” or behavior that might cause a smirk by others, or perhaps even causing an “endearment” by a gal that actually likes him.
Today? Well…….everything is a condition that requires tons of therapy, medication, evaluations, studies, treatment and metrics…and this person will “never” get better unless he (usually a he) stays on program, on task for-the-rest-of-his-life and then with the same slight of hand “h, women hate men who are on medications, it shows they are weak / not genetically fit” or some other eugenical nonsense. Our culture, even on the “trad” side seems to believe medication / treatment and therapy and counseling will make these men winners when not believing a word of what they speak / espouse.
Do Incels have high IQ? Maybe some do. I am sure they all fall within the range limits of the bell curve. Some are smart, others are average and other are lower (perhaps depending on how much on the spectrum they are more than likely)
As for being fit? Upper body strenght? My time with Incels in their forums and meeting many over the past decade and a half. You see overcompensation. Women like men who are fit, jacked nice body? Well, many will make this their raison d’ etre. Met many an Incel who is cut / defined in excellent shape…but still has an ugly face. Met many an Incel who is overweight, unemployed and focuses on Star Trek, Star Wars and comic books (comic book guy from The Simpsons)
The ‘sphere and people who gloss over Incels have always quick “textbook” answers as to why they are the way they are. They are lazy, entitled, not “real men” and dont follow the sound, and perfect Red Pill advise. If they did this? They would be okay.
Its deeper than that.
A lot of it, to me…not *all* of course is socialization. Critical points in their development that were indeed knocked off course at critical ages or parts of develpment; and are almost impossible to overcome past a certain age.
What I have noticed with many:
Bullied extensively in elementary and high school for no reason other than them just existing. Having an overprotective mother / cold and distant father or a combination of both. Most Incels I have met and spoken with surprisingly come from homes with an *intact* marriage of their parents. A large swath seemed to have missed out during puberty of dating, or having a girl *like* them or meeting girls. They seemed to be deemed “creepy” or “odd” from the moment this starts in middle school / jr high. Most are average to below average looking physically. Men cannot help their height. Men cannot help the face they were given.
Almost all have a common thread. Most are withdrawn and shy because of the life-long beat down by peers, women, co-workers, classmates. Most did indeed learn to be able able to spend time alone and not have a solid friend / peer group. This also contributes to the vicious circle.
Red Pill wil say “just go out and join Toastmasters, I was a nerd and lonely, I joined this club, and I became confident, learned how to speak and women now find me irresistable and a catch.”
You cannot undo decades of these issues with these kinds of men with flippant remarks.
The Incels who do break free are (drum roll)
Deemed good looking by women. Their personality quirk is “cute” and normal! He’s misunderstood!
Anyone else is a creep who needs medication, therapym counseling and has to learn to be happy with what “god gave them”
It’s not all of them, for sure, but many men in the Manosphere are definitely of reasonably high intelligence. The things they write reflect higher levels of reasoning ability. Some of more intelligent than others, of course, but in general the Manosphere is not attracting many (if any) 85 IQ men.
Dalrock, for example, was clearly gifted (even if his audience wasn’t). The same goes for Artisanal Toad who exhibited an even higher degree of reasoning ability. I’m pretty sure that Larry Kummer at Fabius Maximus is gifted. Quite a few historical commenters to this blog are gifted by their own attestations.
I think this goes a long way to explaining the wildly divergent results.
I’ll respectfully disagree.
Most men in the ‘sphere just have a quick answer, put down or answer that perhaps makes them look smart. I was taught that the average IQ was 100 as a man for that silly test.
Most people who are average lord it off as if their score was 20 points higher, and they are not afraid to tell you how “intelligent” they are.
Incels have a scope of a “social IQ” that is lower than average for the most part. Social cues cannot be read or are overcompensated. An Incel man realizes he offended someone, instead of saying “sorry bro” he will gush with the apology, almost begging the person he offended to not hate him. I’ve seen this. Or, he ignores his transgression and says “I dont owe you an apology / anything” when actually a “Im sorry” would have mended the situation quickly / put it to rest. He comes off as a pompus ass with stances like this. Also, the overcompensation on this end. “Saying sorry is being NICE, and men are not NICE and women hate NICE actions. I dont do anything NICE”(very extreme or over compensating one way or another)
With Incels there is a “social IQ” that is underdevoped , ignored or perhaps a causation of the “spectrum” he is on.
Some just dont care.
I know what I’m saying cannot be taken as “science” or proof beacuse Red Pill already has the answers to why they are the way they are, and the rest of society (women) dont care about Incels anyway…they’re losers.
Anyway….
”Red Pill wil say ājust go out and join Toastmasters, I was a nerd and lonely, I joined this club, and I became confident, learned how to speak and women now find me irresistable and a catch.ā
You cannot undo decades of these issues with these kinds of men with flippant remarks.
The Incels who do break free are (drum roll)
Deemed good looking by women. Their personality quirk is ācuteā and normal! Heās misunderstood!
Anyone else is a creep who needs medication, therapym counseling and has to learn to be happy with what āgod gave themā”(there’s a genius ”mastermind archetect” who doesn’t know when i quote others)
MOD,
Remember those ”I know a bald guy or 5′ 2” guy who gets all the hot chix” stories?But at least the 5’2” guy in this story was a bartender.
Here’s an early one in the manosphere golden age on the Heartiste ” The Right Game For Your Body Type: The Mesomorph” post:
on August 15, 2012 at 5:44 pm | ReplyYaReally
”I know a 5ā2ā³ guy who regularly attracts hot girls (even tall chicks lol). Heās not a PUA, more of a Natural, but he has shitty endgame so while he gets a bunch of attraction (that objectively you wouldnāt expect him to be able to get, esp from the girls he gets it from), he has trouble closing the deal because he fucks up a bunch of game principles and gets ASD/LMR and doesnāt know how to handle flaking. If he learned just a bit of endgame stuff he would be unstoppable but as most gamers know you canāt teach someone game unless they WANT to learn it.
Iāve picked his brain a bit and we go way back so Iāve observed what he does and his general mindset. I also have another buddy, same height, who actively wants to learn game but is starting from the complete opposite place as the first guy, so Iāve looked at the contrast between how the two of them act and why one gets attraction from girls while the other doesnāt and itās all pretty consistent/logical.
Iāll write some shit up when I get some free time.
Also for the record Iām 5ā9ā³ and my friends who game with me are anywhere from 5ā2ā³-6ā6ā³, and a variety of body types/shapes, as well as a variety of races.
on August 16, 2012 at 2:47 am | ReplyAnonymous
Game is BS. Itās all about looks with females are they are hardwired to find a certain look sexually attractive.Your little buddy strikes out because heās short not because he doesnāt know some pickup lines.
I figured you were a short ecto like most on here along with your friends and perhaps 1 geeky looking Howard Stern type š
on August 16, 2012 at 11:56 amAllerious
Game is only roughly 80% BS. š
Yes, looks and status count first and foremost. Two different men pulling the exact same moves, one attractive and one not, will yield two completely different sets of results. If game were not largely BS, this would not be so.
on August 16, 2012 at 11:54 am | ReplyAllerious
Highly doubt it unless weāre talking about the over 25 crowd, in which case those ā8ā²sā need to be qualified as ā8ā²s by over-25 standardsā.
Whatās his profession?
on August 16, 2012 at 2:06 pm | ReplyYaReally
Bartender. That should tell you a lot right there lol
Bartending has basically given him a shitload of practice 1) building comfort quickly with strangers, 2) flirting, 3) teasing/negging/qualifying girls (for being/saying dumb stuff while drinking), 4) not taking girls seriously (heās surrounded by hot girls including his co-workers thanks to his environment so theyāre not a scary intimidating thing to him), 5) leading/ordering/scolding (he works in a pub where heās basically the top dog of the chain), 6) tons of social proof cause the guys at his pub all think heās cool and lots of regulars give him props all night, 7) shit-tons of practice both befriending guys and AMOGing them to encourage them to drink more and not be pussies, and to tool them back with a barrage of Russell Brand style wit if they dare try to tool him about his height (heās already heard every joke you can make about it and heās got a dozen killer comebacks that will leave you stunned and looking like a retard in front of your girl and your buddies (who will all cheer for him and laugh at you with him because we love when our friends get owned unexpectedly)), and 8) he has practice expressing himself 100% from swearing when heās mad to having deep philosophical convos over a beer to making dirty jokes etc no censorship at all and 9) he has no approach anxiety at all because he expect people to like him and heās had hundreds of thousands of conversations with people from all walks of life so he knows thereās nothing to be scared of or have anxiety over.
Girls will be hanging on their BFs arm up doing a shot and my buddy will tool the guy a bit and the guy will love him for it because thatās how drunk guys work (now he has status, and the admiration of her BF) and the girl will start flirting with him and completely ignore her BF and occasionally slip him her number etc. Its a mindfuck every time I see it but itās makes sense when you analyze it through game goggles.
Would he be able to take down a loud nightclub full of jersey shore douches solo? Probably not. But he can cause a helluva scene at a pub and when he goes to restaraunts and in daytime environments (grocery store, mall, running errands, etc) which are where he meets most of the girls he meets. Hell by default heās peacocked being that short so heās already one-up on the generic average guy in terms of being noticed when he walks into a room.
Most of the stuff he gets from bartending translates to daygame. Heāll walk into a relatively quiet pub mid-afternoon and he knows eyes are on him. Heāll be loud and start cracking jokes and building comfort with the bartender and whoeverās on a stool beside him. From there other people wonder āwho is this guy?ā and start trying to get on his radar just out of curiosity. He tools a girl for doing something dumb (like ordering a gay drink or wincing after doing a shot with her BF) and then she starts wanting his validation so she starts qualifying to him. Now everyone is seeing a girl validating herself to this little guy so naturally out come the AMOGs to try to take her but he owns them with his wit because heās run into tools like them all his life and he tools them in a way where they love him after, so now heās got the girl qualifying, the guys buying him drinks, the girlās girlfriends asking her about him, and the whole time the hot bartender chick from the start is watching his status rocket up through the roof and starts flirting. Now everyone sees the hot bartender flirting with him and hypergamy kicks inā¦
Etc etc etc. itās pretty amazing to watch. Itās like this huge snowball effect. Everyone, even myself, falls into his frame and he sets the tone of the room and socially takes over. Heās just like a social tornado going through the room and everyone else ends up swept up into it.
If youāre super short, you donāt have to become a bartender but if you can develop the same attitudes my buddy has through other means (like massive field experience doing pickup), pick specific types of environments to game in, and learn to work a crowd, you can structure a lifestyle where youāre getting girls other guys wouldnāt expect you to be able to get.
Compare him to the short guy with a big chip on his shoulder about his height and a bunch of insecurities who thinks you need tons of money to get girls so he works 80hrs a week at his office job (when heās not at the gym getting overly jacked which just highlights his Manlet insecurity) and occasionally makes it out of his mansion for happy hour where heās surrounded by his boss who he has to behave in front of and play beta to, and his rich confident co-workers who barely know him because he works too much, in a loud bar environment where he doesnāt know anyone and has to compete with a bunch of other guys and he orders his drink meekly and quietly from the waitress in his big group of guys who are all awkwardly trying to hit on her.
Like I say tho, he gets beautiful opportunities but heās still socially conditioned enough (never taken the red pill) to often fuck up the end game by getting white-knighty when the girl is hot and he realizes he has a chance lol. If he tightened that up heād be killer. He still gets laid, but not as much as he COULD be lol
on August 16, 2012 at 11:30 pmAnonymous
The shorty doth protest too much, methinks :)”
Oh yes…..guy is uglier than a backside of a barn but has “amazing game” and women just love him for who he is.
Outlier. Exception. Not the norm.
Its like that very handsome guy in all the RomCom movies. He’s so heartbreakingly cute / attractive “but gosh darn it, the gurls dont like him!” and of course he does get the girl and he has to learn “to-just-be-himself” and it will work out. Hollywood is great at this!
“The Onion” even joked 25 years ago “Romantic Comedy Behavior Gets Real Man Arrested”
and the article explained the situation, but the picture of “said man”. Well, he was was bald, a little overweight. Shorter than average. Get a better looking guy to do this, and probably the results of his behavior would have been different. Well, would have been rceeived better by the woman in question I am sure š
My time with Incels in their forums and meeting many over the past decade and a half. You see overcompensation. Women like men who are fit, jacked nice body? Well, many will make this their raison dā etre. Met many an Incel who is cut / defined in excellent shapeā¦but still has an ugly face. Met many an Incel who is overweight, unemployed and focuses on Star Trek, Star Wars and comic books (comic book guy from The Simpsons)
MOD,
Isn’t most (online) incels today either ”physical PUA” A.K.A. ”looksmaxxers” or ”DGAF”(about ”normie” culture/”soyciety”)guys like comic book guy from The Simpsons?
{Sort of like a lot of the ”loud” (online) redpillers are either ”verbal PUA”(in other words, a-holes similar to PUAS (online) bravado about sex, but now it’s about Trump or tradwifes with(online) redpillers or they are ”loud””DGAF” as they preach ”wimminz must step up and save Western Civilization by submitting to I & Trump”.Most (online) redpillers mainly read the other two ”loud” redpillers, though it seems.
The brooding semi-emo type Elli@t R@dgers incels from the mid-2010s mainly died out, it seems around 5 years ago or more, it seems to i. Just like most redpill/gamer guys stopped yelling ”GAME will save Western civilization” around the same time after all that Weinstein stuff happened, and online dating apps became ”acceptable” and fully mainstream circa 2019/20.
MOD,
You know what i agree with a lot of incels on?
Prices of new video games(which seem to bug a lot of them)!
Like this guy at WCCFTECH said 11 days ago
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”Once games start with $80, $90 or more as the norm, is the day I’m done buying and will torrent 100% on PC. I been doing it with movies, tv shows, etc. for 20+yrs anyway, might as well throw games in there to. I feel they are not even worth $70+, another reason I wait and buy used Switch 1 games on ebay. I have a Switch 2 but will also buy used Switch 2 games. This might be the last console I buy, and just go full on PC wait for console games to be cracked then play a few I like with an emulator.”
i didn’t want to pay $40 or $50 for a new game 20 years ago, as i would usually wait for them to go down to $20 or so. i myself?
I haven’t really played video games in nearly a decade.
Just like i barely watch any TV & the last time i went to the movie theatre was in July 1992?(Cool World was the film with a pre-superstar Brad Pitt and a younger Kim Basinger ). Last video game system i bought?Nintendo 3DS.i didn’t buy a PS3/4/5 or XBOX360/ONE or any of the Wii or Switchs either.
Inceldom in a blog form peaked somewhere between 2010 and 2015. Most now are just lumped into “MGTOW / Blackpill” camps or areas.
Dr. G Martin who coined the term “loveshy” back in the 1980’s was a quack but he was on to something, the reseacrh evolved into which became “Incel”
In 1989 an angry , young French university student went on a rampage killing a bunch of classmates at the university. In what followed afterward in the investigation was that he was a “zero” with women. Always rejected. Had some personality problems for sure. Had social IQ issues. He was an “average” looking young man. Not classically handsome, but def not ugly. He developed an anger to and at women (for rejecting him), and men for belittling him in this area.
He was probably the first “recorded” incident of this “incel rage” which evidently happens everyday, and “women are afraid to go out in public because of creepy, dangerous men like this” (rolls eyes)
After the incident with American ‘spoiled brat’ Elliot, the Incel forms became watched very closely, and many shut down, or just remained inactive.
These incidents still happen, one in England a year or so ago in a residntial / suburban neighborhood……and these men are brandished with a wide brush stroke of being “Incel” which may be true, or if they visted an Incel page, the media determines that they were an “extremist voice / leader” in this community.
Firstly, when this rage happens, mostly MEN are killed. Not women.
Secondly, 99% of Incels are harmless. Most have very serious problems (way, WAY worse than what I dealt with or came up with) and
Thirdly, the advice from fellow men is: counseling/ pump them full of medication / advice from the Red Pill (Game / PUA) of just man up, hit the gym, talk to women, gain confidence, be-all-you-can-be, get a good job, skydive on weekends, get fashion sense, repair cars from the 1950’s and have an amazing life (“what? you dont go whitewater rafting in Thailand yearly? No wonder women hate you! You have no excitement in your life. You are such a Beta!” lol!)
Lastly, there isnt really a place for men like this in their situation to go to or do anything, let alone fix it.
As for men like this who rampage and kill people like this? Zero sympathy. None. Jail for life. If I was the “king” I would pull the lever myself on the elctric chair for men who d this.
Most Incels nw just hang in MGTOW / Blackpill or hobby forums (gaming, art, gardening; of which many Incels have found comfort in this, I applaud this hobby)
Most realize that are tainted by the wider media now, and men, and women and have just faded into the larger ‘sphere.
Most of the Incels I have met are pretty normal. In another era, they probably would have been married, fathers and probably a decent parent.
But you know…….Red Pill will just tell them they are lazy, God-made-them-that-way so they could glorify Him; while backslaping them that they are not real men because they dont have women drooling over them daily. Its rough to be an Incel, but many are actually holding up well in 2025. All things considered.