On Forgiveness, Part 8

This is part 8 of a series on forgiveness. See the index here.

There are many misconceptions regarding forgiveness. Let’s discuss a few of them.

WorldGoneCrazy

What am I being asked to forgive? Nobody is repenting, not even in the churches. (Rare exceptions apply.) Shall I forgive the baby butchers while their victims cry out from Heaven for Christ to avenge their blood and torture every pro-abort in Hell for Eternity?

This highlights the problem with describing sin in abstract moral, ethical, behavioral, or spiritualized terms. People are completely unable to understand when and how sin creates indebtedness.

This commenter is confused because she doesn’t understand what she is being asked to forgive. This should not be so. Jesus choose to explain sin in the practical and concrete terms of financial and material debt, which is very easy to understand. If someone owes you something, then you must forgive them. If they owe you nothing, then there is nothing for you to forgive.

The reality is that she isn’t supposed to forgive random people, because those people did not sin against her. It is not her place to take the offence of another. You can only forgive someone if they have sinned against you.

Surfdumb

Could it be that Stephen and Jesus asking the Father to forgive the violators is asking the Father to grant them a repentant will and not necessarily saying they forgive them? Both situations are last breath situations, whereas the rest of the verses above are for ongoing life.

This is a common explanation, but scripture never says this. Surfdumb is speculating about what is not contained in scripture. Nowhere in the pages of the Old or New Testament does repentance have a one-to-one relationship with forgiveness. Were it not for Surfdumb’s theological preferences, he wouldn’t have suggested this interpretation which does not exist in the text.

In scripture, the two concepts—repentance and forgiveness—often occur simultaneously together. For example:

Acts 2:37-38
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men, brothers, what should we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the holy spirit.

But despite being listed together, they are nonetheless independent of each other. To use the language of statistics, they are “confounded” by faith or belief in the name of Christ.

TomTurkey

Unconditional forgiveness is a tool used by offenders to manipulate victims back into unsafe relationships.

The view that early forgiveness is unjust and makes repentence less likely has already been addressed here in the comment section:

Avery Ramsey
Forgiving somebody before they repent, removes forgiveness and reconciliation as a possible incentive for them to repent later. — Comment by Redacted
Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven—for she loved much. But he who is forgiven little, loves little. — Luke 7:47

Luke provides a plain refutation to this argument. If forgiveness is an incentive for repentance, then logically a lack of forgiveness will lead to more repentance. This is the opposite of what is seen in Luke. In Luke, we see that if one is not forgiven, they will “love little” and not repent. Repentance results from forgiveness, it should not be the cause of it.

Scripture is rather plain that forgiveness makes repentance more likely because the person who is inclined to repentence will be more likely to repent if they are shown love. The more a person is forgiven, the more likely they are to repent.

Again, this would be obvious if we would just understand sin in practical and concrete terms of financial and material debt. Someone who has had a large monetary debt forgiven is much, much more likely to be grateful than someone who has been shown no kindness or mercy at all. Spiritualizing and abstracting sin hides this simple conclusion found in scripture.

TomTurkey

Furthermore restitution was always a required part of the equation as well.

This is just factually incorrect. As we cited in Part 4, in the Mosiaic Law restitution was only sometimes required for certain sins. Furthermore, in the New Testament, restitution has never been a core requirement, because works of the Law cannot lead to salvation.

pspruett

One is actual forgiveness, which clearly seems to require repentance, and the other is the idea of letting go of anger and hatred that can result from being sinned against.

Only God can offer forgiveness of sin in a meaningful sense. Just as we cannot forgive someone if they are not actually sorry, can we even offer true absolution for someone’s sin if they *only* apologize to us? Mustn’t they also repent to God? Further, mustn’t they repent to the true God of whom they believe to hold account of *all* sin and of whom they require the reconciliation that can only be found in Jesus?

This gets to the core of forgiveness. The reality is that we can release our sin-debt and forgive those that sin against us. In doing so, we don’t need to concern ourselves with whether they were truly repenting or not. We leave that up to God, who decides for himself whether or not a person should be ultimately forgiven. We can still work to remove sin among the brethren, but we need not hold it against them. That’s exactly what it means to forgive: to release the debt. Just like someone who holds a financial debt, you don’t need them to repent in order to vacate it.

While it is possible to release your anger and hatred while still demanding other satisfaction for the debt, this is only a sort of “reduction” of debt, not a pardon or complete forgiveness. Scripture demands that you forgive completely.

Wintery Knight
And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.” So should we disobey our Lord because someone else has not repented of what we believe to be sin? — Mark 11:25 (NIV)
[These] verses uses the word forgive, but it does not explain the mechanics of it like the other longer passages in the original post. What this verse means is that if the person repents, then forgiveness should be automatic. This verses doesn’t say, “even if the don’t repent”. But the other passages clearly teach forgiveness is conditional on repentance – they are more clear about the sequence of events.

This is simply not the case. No passage clearly teaches that man’s forgiveness towards his brother for a sin-debt is conditional on repentance. While there are certainly passages that include both repentance and forgiveness, there are similarly a number of New Testament references demanding that forgiveness be applied that mention nothing about repentance at all (e.g. the Lord’s Prayer in the Sermon on the Mount). Some are quite forceful, such as this one:

Mark 11:25

And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you for your transgressions.

You could make a better argument that God’s forgiveness towards us is conditional on repentance, but even that argument is still unclear, as every potential instance of repentance leading to God’s forgiveness is within the scope of an already existing faith and belief in Christ.

Kevin Lewis

Jesus stated in Luke 17:3,

“If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.”

Here, the meaning is clear. The word “if” (Grk. ean) introduces the condition for a rebuke and for granting forgiveness. If (subjunctive) a person sins, we must (imperative) rebuke him, and if (subjunctive) he repents, we must (imperative) forgive him. This is as clear a statement as you will find on the subject. Forgiveness is conditioned upon repentance—and this is one of the same criteria that God requires before He forgives sin.

We discussed this in Part 4.

What I find most interesting about this point is that the meanings of these words are quite clear in the Greek. The “if” is unambiguously a conditional. The imperative to forgive is certainly dependent on repentance. It seems plain that this is literally saying to forgive if and only if they repent. If taken strictly literally, forgiveness is conditional.

But, did you notice what Lewis did? He only cited v3 and left out the next verse! If Jesus had stopped speaking in v3, Lewis might have a point. But Jesus kept on talking:

Luke 17:4
And if he sins against you seven times in the day, and seven times returns to you saying, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.”

The problem with Lewis’ interpretation is that the Greek is simply too clear in its meaning. The word for repentance clearly and unambiguously means to actually demonstrate a change of behavior. But, the brother in the story is obviously not repentant. Not only has he not changed his ways, but he sins over-and-over again.

So is Jesus contradicting himself? No, of course not. He’s using a figure-of-speech: irony. This irony is even more starkly visible when you compare this with the parallel account in Matthew where Jesus says to forgive not just seven times, but seventy times seven times, an absurdly high number for someone who supposedly truly repented. If you can’t detect Jesus’ sense of humor, you are likely to misunderstand what he is saying.

Lewis is correct that this is the clearest statement you will find on the subject, which is why we are forced to reject the concept of conditional forgiveness.

memytym

As in most things, there is a lot of Scripture quoting by commenters advocating a specific view and completely ignoring verses that contradict those views (many of these verses are in this very post). You aren’t making your point by buckling down on verses you feel agree with you but not engaging at all with verses that seem to contradict. These verses should not be ignored.

Let’s look at those verses.

Matthew 11:20-24

Then he began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles were done, because they did not repent.

“How terrible it will be for you, Chorazin! How terrible it will be for you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say to you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the Day of Judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? No, you will go down to the grave. For if the miracles had been done in Sodom that were done in you, it would have remained until this day. But I say to you that it will be more bearable for the land of Sodom on the Day of Judgment, than for you.”

Whenever the book of Matthew talks about repentence (3:2,8,114:1711:20-2112:41) it does so without mentioning forgiveness at all. When Matthew makes an explicit reference to the forgiveness of sin (9:2-6), Jesus attributes it to faith. There isn’t even a mention of repentance there! Rather than attributing forgiveness to repentance, Matthew attributes it to Jesus’ blood poured out (26:28) as payment for the sins of mankind. This theme runs throughout the New Testament.

In short, Jesus giving woes of doom to cities and their populations for not repenting really says nothing about offering forgiveness to those who sin against you. Part of the core theme of this series is that vengeance is the Lord’s, which is why it is good for people to forgive others and leave the punishments to God or his government agents.

Mark 1:14-15

After John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee preaching the good news of God, and saying, “The time has been fulfilled and the Kingdom of God has drawn near. Repent and believe the good news.”

This is a strange thing to cite if your argument is that repentance must take place before forgiveness can happen, because this passage does not mention forgiveness at all. It mentions repentance and belief (that is, faith), but not forgiveness.

Even more strange is that the Gospel of Mark only mentions repentance just three times (1:4, 1:15, 6:12), with Jesus only mentioning this one time. By contrast, forgiveness is mentioned nine times (1:4, 2:5,7,9,10, 3:28-29, 4:12, 11:25). The only time that repentence is mentioned alongside forgiveness is with respect to John the Baptist’s baptism “for” the forgiveness of sins in 1:4, something we will discuss in a later part of the series.

There isn’t anything in Mark 1:14-15 to suggest one way or the other that forgiveness is conditional on repentance. By contrast, four of the nine references in Mark to forgiveness occur in Mark 2:1-12. This passage is especially notable because the only explanation given by Jesus for offering the forgiveness of  sins was faith. There was no mention of repentance at all.

This seems to be a classic example of throwing a scripture passage out there and hoping that no one notices that it doesn’t support the theological claim being made.

Luke 13:1-5

Now there were some present at that very season who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And he answered and said to them,

“Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the Galileans, because they suffered these things? I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all perish as well. Or those 18 on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse offenders than all the people who live in Jerusalem? I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all perish as well.”

No one is claiming that God did not command repentance. Nor is anyone arguing that one can have faith in Christ without repentance. All that is claimed is that true repentance is only enabled by faith in Christ—with its corresponding forgiveness. One cannot truly repent until one is first perfected in Christ.

Luke 24:45-47

Then he opened up their minds to understand the scriptures, and he said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer, and rise from among the dead the third day, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins were to be proclaimed in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

First, this refers to God’s ultimate forgiveness of sin, not that of a brother forgiving his brother’s debt against him.

Second, repentance and forgiveness are declared in Christ’s name. This is the “confounding” of which I spoke above. With faith (or belief) in Christ comes both repentance and forgiveness.

Acts 2:38

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the holy spirit.

First, as the one immediately above, this refers to God’s ultimate forgiveness of sin, not that of a brother forgiving his brother’s debt against him.

Second, even more stark than the one immediately above, this time baptism and repentance go together and are explicitly separated from forgiveness. That’s because faith in the name of Christ comes first, which immediately produces forgiveness of sins, which is then followed by acts of repentance and baptism as a result of that faith, for baptism is the outward sign of the inward change.

Acts 3:17-20

And now, brothers, I know that in ignorance you [killed Christ], as did also your rulers. But the things that God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he has fulfilled in this way.

Repent therefore, and return to God so that your sins are wiped clean, so that seasons of refreshing come from the presence of the Lord, and so that he sends the Christ who has been appointed for you, that is, Jesus.

Conversion—belief or faith in Christ—is clearly implied here. Peter is telling the crowd at Pentecost that they must repent of killing Christ to (rather obviously) believe that he is the resurrected Messiah instead. Thus they will be wiped clean of sin. That’s just the gospel, not a statement saying that repentance precedes faith (let alone  forgiveness).

As before, this has nothing to do with a brother sinning against another.

Acts 8:22

Therefore, repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that the intent of your heart is forgiven you.

Here we find an example of simultaneously repenting and asking for forgiveness from God for sin. I have no objection to this, but it doesn’t show that repentance precedes—or, more importantly, causes—forgiveness. It certainly doesn’t weigh in on the subject of forgiveness without repentance, something that even we here agree is worse than forgiveness with repentance.

It also doesn’t give us any insight into whether or not one should forgive their brother without repentance.

Acts 17:30-31

God overlooked the times of ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has set a day in which he will judge the inhabited world righteously by the man whom he has appointed, having given proof to all people by raising him from among the dead.”

Yes, God has commanded that all repent of their sins. You’ll get no objection from me. Again, no one is arguing that because forgiveness is unconditional that repentance is somehow unnecessary. Nor does this imply that you should not forgive your brother for their sins against you unless they repent.

Romans 2:4-6

Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness and restraint and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? But corresponding to your stubborn and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment is revealed, who will repay each person according to his works.

This is an extremely ironic quotation, because of what it actually says in the full context of the passage:

Romans 2:1-3

Therefore you have no excuse, O you, every one of you who judges, for in whatever things you judge others, you condemn yourself, because you who judge are practicing the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who practice such things is according to the truth. Now do you suppose, O you who judge those who practice such things and yet do the same, that you will escape God’s judgment?

This is another example of the unforgivable sin: the unforgiving will not be forgiven, because they have condemned themselves.

As Jesus stated in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, those who do not forgive but choose judgment instead will be judged according to that same standard. In other words, they will not be forgiven. The only way to be forgiven—if you have refused to forgive but chosen judgment instead—is if you repent.

This is a warning against those do not forgive.

2 Corinthians 7:10

 For godly sorrow produces repentance that leads to salvation and brings no regret, but worldly sorrow produces death.

As before, it is important to understand the full context. To wit:

2 Corinthians 7:9

Now I am rejoicing, not that you were grieved, but that you grieved to the point of repentance, for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you suffered no loss through us.

The New Testament teaches two distinct concepts. The first is that faith alone leads to forgiveness once and for all. This is called justification. The second is that repentance leads to sanctification, an ongoing process of being made holy. That is what is going on here.

To repent means that you are sanctified and so suffer no loss. How do I know? Because Paul is here referencing his teaching found in the previous letter:

1 Corinthians 3:10-17
According to the grace of God that was given to me, as a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But let each one be careful how he builds on it. For no one is able to lay a foundation other than the one that has already been laid, which is Jesus Christ. But if anyone builds on the foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, straw— each one’s work will become plainly seen, for the Day will make it clear, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire itself will test each one’s work, and show of what kind it is. If anyone’s work that he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, but it will be like escaping through a fire.  Do you not know that all of you together are God’s sanctuary, and that the spirit of God lives in you?  If anyone mars the sanctuary of God, God will mar him, for the sanctuary of God, which all of you together are, is holy.

This highlights the difference between justification and sanctification. What Paul is telling the church in 2 Corinthians is that their works are holy and so they suffer no loss. Through their repentance they were sanctified. But had they failed to repent, their works would have been burned up and they would have been saved, but only like escaping through a fire.

2 Timothy 2:25-26

And the Lord’s servant must not fight, but be gentle with everyone, skilled in teaching, patient in the midst of evil, in meekness correcting those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they return to their senses and escape from the snare of the Devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

This is a passage talking about the lost unbelievers who have no understanding of the truth, those who are captive and ensnared by the Devil. I really like this passage a lot, because it reinforces the idea that Christians are not to fight evil in the world. Fixing the world is not our duty and calling. God will destroy the Devil on the Day of Judgment. We are, rather, restricted to gently making disciples and building up the church.

In any case, I’m not sure why this passage was cited as evidence of conditional forgiveness. I’m not a universalist, after all. I don’t believe that those who do not believe in Christ will be saved.

Anyway, that’s more than enough for today. If you think I missed anything important, let me know in the comments.

2 Comments

  1. professorGBFMtm

    And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you for your transgressions.-Mark 11:25

    There used to be a guy named Bob on the first alternative to FOX NEWS(I think it was called “America’s Voice”). Armstrong Williams had a show on the cable channel also with a Jewish woman co-host(it was about ”can a Christian black MAN & Jewish woman co-exist?” or something).

    This was around May 1998-anyway one day I’m watching the Bob guy(i have a VHS tape with episodes that i taped, but haven’t played it in 25 years, who was basically the Christian ”offensive”- knows what or whom i ‘m really relating it to here- version of elrushbo)’s show & he goes off on a caller asking about forgiving people:

    ” JESUS SAID,IF HE REPENTS, FORGIVE YOUR BROTHER!”

    IOW?

    Too many Christians today are getting their theology(and NOT from reading the Bible) from political guys like that Bob fellow i mentioned.

  2. professorGBFMtm

    YEAH,

    Here’s the Wikipedia on the channel ”National Empowerment Television (NET), later known as America’s Voice and eventually The Renaissance Network, was a cable TV network designed to rapidly mobilize politically conservative individuals for grassroots lobbying on behalf of the movement’s policy aims.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Empowerment_Television

    ” It relaunched in the spring of 1997 as a for-profit TV channel called “America’s Voice”, with another $20 million in seed money. However, Sutton came from the ranks of mainstream media and refused to agree with Weyrich and others’ ideological analysis that the television industry was failing to meet the demands of conservative and traditionalist viewers. A power struggle ensued, with Sutton persuading the network’s board to force out Weyrich in a hostile takeover.

    With Weyrich gone, under Sutton, the channel abandoned its conservative identity, marketing itself merely as a non-ideological forum for the public to make its views known to policymakers, akin to the call-in programs on C-SPAN. However, the network retained four conservative programs funded by the FCF and a few remaining supporters, but it had to pay to retain them. Finally, further pressure from advertisers and larger broadcasters allegedly forced even those to be removed.

    With much of its original viewership alienated, and also with the rise of Fox News Channel as a popular and far-better-funded source of conservative opinion on cable television, financial support under Sutton collapsed, and Dish Network dropped it. Eventually, America’s Voice was sold, becoming “The Renaissance Network” (TRN), airing on a few broadcast stations, mainly UHF and low-power channels. Facing ruin, TRN brought back FCF content, but it was not enough to save the operation.”

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