In Part 1 of this series, we discussed how Tim Keller was influenced by occult mystics.
In Part 2 of this series, we discussed John Mark Comer and his advocacy for the Enneagram. There we described what the Enneagram is as well as identifying its origins in the occult and Roman Catholic mysticism.
In Part 3 of this series, we briefly described Michael Heiser’s relationship with The Bible Project (see here and here). We also discussed how Heiser, Comer, and Radix Fidem are all tied together not only by their occult practices, but by their belief in polytheism.
Over at Facebook Marcia Montenegro of the Christian Answers for the New Age (CANA) writes:
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As I was working on this post, someone sent me a link to a talk given by Tim Mackie at Bridgetown Church pastored at the time by John Mark Comer (see CANA warning links on Comer at end. Mackie references the 24/7 prayer conference going on at the time. The 24/7 Prayer was started by Peter Greig of the UK, who heavily promotes contemplative practices and has recommended Richard Rohr’s books (see CANA post on Grieg at link).
Like polytheism, these men are tied together through the occult Enneagram and through “contemplative” (or mystical) practices. But that is not all that links them.
Michael Heiser got his PhD at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
Tim Mackie—co-founder of the Bible Project—did his PhD studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Later he became an adjunct professor at Western Seminary. He has been a regular speaker at Bridgetown church.
John Mark Comer got his master’s degree from Western Seminary. He founded the Bridgetown church. Comer considered Dallas Willard to be a mentor.
Who is Dallas Willard? Dallas Willard got his PhD at University of Wisconsin-Madison, and eventually began his academic career by teaching at University of Wisconsin-Madison. He recommended men like Thomas a Kempis, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Teresa of Avila, Brother Lawrence, Francis de Sales, Benedict of Nursia, and Richard Foster (John Mark Comer also quotes positively from many of these, as does Tim Keller). He has been highly influential in promoting mystical practices.
Notice a pattern? These men all have a similar educational background. They have similar influences, including their reliance on the Roman Catholic mystics. In some cases they directly influence each other, such as Heiser and the Bible Project, or Comer and Willard, or Comer and the Bible Project.
Now let’s go back to Enneagram. In 2018, there was an interesting exchange on Twitter:
Yup, that’s Michael Heiser agreeing with Kevin DeYoung that the Enneagram is occultic. I recommend reading “Enneagram: The Road Back to You, Or to Somewhere Else?”
On August 30, 2018, Tim Mackie and Jon Collins appeared on the Typology podcast where they discussed how the Enneagram helped them. On October 5, 2018, Heiser visited the Bible Project’s physical location to meet with the two co-founders. A few months later, the Bible Project published a series of videos in collaboration with Heiser promoting his views. Seven months later, Jon Collins—of the Bible Project—and his wife were in another video promoting the Enneagram.
Heiser (inadvertently?) allied himself with men who enthusiastically promoted the occult. If you’ve been following along with this series or with my article “Dr. Michael Heiser,” you’ll be unsurprised that men who are into the occult really like the work that Heiser has done.
Consider Heiser’s paper “Divine Council 101: Lesson 2: The elohim of Psalm 82 — gods or men?” There he cites Cyrus H. Gordon to claim that elohim can’t mean rulers or judges. Both Gordon and Heiser were associated with the University of Pennsylvania (albeit many decades apart). Gordon published a lot of work on the Ugarit texts, which was also important for Heiser. Gordon, a Higher Critic, believed that much of the Old Testament stories were myths based on the stories and legends from the cultures that surrounded the Hebrews (see here).
Heiser’s thesis relies heavily on these positions which deny biblical inerrancy. Thus, Heiser’s views are cited by leftists, heretics, and mystics who minimize or outright deny that scripture is the Word of God, even though Heiser himself still more-or-less clung to traditional evangelical Christianity (some call him a heretic, and some do not).
Consider this article by Daniel O. McClellan, “אלהים Does Not Mean “Judges”,” where he cites Gordon’s scholarship and this paper where he also cites Gordon[1] (using Heiser against James White on the topic of elohim). What is the relevance? Daniel McClellan is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (known as the Mormons). Mormons are polytheists. Mormons love Heiser’s writings, because Psalm 82 is one of the Mormon’s favorite passages (as seen in this video around the 20 minute mark where John Mark Comer also relies on Psalm 82 to push his take on “creational monotheism” which is very similar to the theses of Gordon, Heiser, and McClellan).
Heiser attempted to embrace liberal scholarship that denied the inspiration of scripture. In the process, he has attracted all manner of atheists, occultist, Mormons, mystics, and heretics who appreciate the logical consequences of his work. It is not an accident that Heiser collaborated with men who dabbled in the occult, nor is it unsurprising that he failed to detect their heresy, because his entire life’s work was based on philosophies that logically lead to the occult.
To understand why Heiser’s background matters, we need only look at James White’s explanation (emphasis added):
I do believe, however, that there is an important point to be made about lining “scholars” up on one side or the other. This text is cited in John 10:34. Only a (today) relatively small percentage of modern “scholarship” will care about how this text is used in John. That is, outside of believers, how this text was understood centuries after its original writing is irrelevant, since they believe the Bible to be merely a collection of books without any coherent, let alone consistent, message. And amongst liberal Christians who do not hold to a canonical view of inspiration and consistency, it is common to ignore the relationship of one’s interpretation of one text in relationship to another (for an example of how the Psalm can be handled in such a fashion, see Marvin E. Tate’s comments in the Word Biblical Commentary series, volume 20). But for the believing Christian, Jesus’ use of the text must be taken into consideration, and I truly believe that the exegesis offered above fits perfectly with Jesus’ own citation of the text and conclusions drawn therefrom. I do not believe Heiser’s allows for Jesus’ application in John 10.
Heiser rejected those who denied his scholarship or who he felt he was superior to. Heiser’s dismissal is on display here. He simply doesn’t take James White seriously because he doesn’t act like an academic, nor yield to the consensus viewpoint. Does this sound familiar? It should. It’s the same leftist gatekeeping tactic that was used to silence dissenters during covid-19.
But as James White notes in the quote above, the fact is that most biblical scholars deny the authority of Christ to interpret scriptures, and so don’t consider Christ’s words in John 10:34 to have any significant bearing on how to interpret Psalm 82. So, yes, White’s view is a minority view and Heiser’s is the majority view, but popularity doesn’t make a thing true or false. In this case, presuppositional bias clearly determines which positions are defended or rejected.
James White is correct that Heiser does not allow for Jesus’ application in John 10. While most Christians in the church would start there, in this video here, Heiser doesn’t even mention it, talking about Psalm 89 and 1 Kings 22 instead! This nicely illustrates the epistemological differences.[2]
What all of this establishes is how interconnected and influential the occult movement is in the mainstream church. Each participant participates to varying degrees. Heiser is more peripheral or indirect while Comer is at the forefront. But what they all share in common is commonality with those who oppose Christ, whether liberal scholars, non-Christians, mystics of other religions or, more commonly, Roman Catholics.
But this also applies to the rank-and-file, such as John Providence, a proponent of Radix Fidem. Here are some excerpts from his writings that highlight how he was captured (emphasis added):
Over the next few months, I worked temporary jobs and did a lot of reading. One of my bosses turned me on to the writings of Catholics like Brother Lawrence and Thomas à Kempis. At the time, it was earthshattering to discover that, in spite of all their heresies, Catholics could be so profound and know the Lord so well!
(The last sentence above was meant to be humorous. I am not Catholic and agree with many critiques of that tradition, but I also believe that Jesus himself is not rendered powerless by the false doctrines and practices that are present in every church.)
Among other things, I lacked discipline in the spiritual life and was too dependent on the experiential/charismatic aspects of it. Reading a book or two did not fix that overnight. I had to actually practice what they preached for many years and will continue doing so for the rest of my life. Because this is a story, I cannot do this development justice here, as it led me to many more teachers from many other Christian traditions spread out over nearly all of Church history, but this was the beginning of a major turning point in my life of faith.
It was the writing of Catholics, most of whom lived hundreds of years ago, and not contemporary snakes like Richard Rohr who peddles literally the oldest lie in the book, who guided me through the darkness. According to them, entering a dark night after a season of ‘infused contemplation’ was to be expected and embraced. From my understanding, infused contemplation is the exact same thing as The Drunken Glory, only interpreted though a different tradition, mainly from a different time, and minus much of the intoxication language (but not completely so, obviously).
Bringing the dreaded Catholics into the conversation is difficult because I do not have the time to defend it properly. I will only say here that, besides the false doctrines and obvious evils of the historical entity known as Catholicism, there were countless faithful individual souls whom the Lord was able to reach in spite of all the things that now ruffle Protestant feathers. The mystics proper, although helpful in ways, were not nearly as edifying as a certain Catholic spiritual director who influenced me the most because the mystics were afforded much more time and focus on the spiritual life than most of us will ever have. John of the Cross‘s writings, for example, are simply too specialized and complex to be of much use to the layman.
According to my Catholic teachers, infused contemplation, or The Drunken Glory, is a grace that only God can give as a gift, oftentimes to seemingly the most undeserving. No amount of virtue, prayer, discipline, or intelligence can attain to it. Besides that, with much practice and discipline, those ‘called to the contemplative life’ can experience ‘acquired contemplation,’ which is basically just a lesser version of the infused variety. I strongly dislike the term ‘contemplation’ because it is really nothing more than being ‘in the Spirit’ in the Biblical sense, which you can be in without feeling or sensing anything, but it is certainly a whole lot cooler when you do. So, even the lesser version of contemplation is still contingent on the divine action. Only God can grant whatever experiences we have in prayer, but as the Catholics teach, we should not pray looking for or expecting any special experiences at all.
This is your standard run-of-the-mill contemplative who is led by—in part—Roman Catholic mysticism right into the occult.
Notice how he uses terms like “discipline” and “practice.” These non-biblical terms[3] are part of the standard contemplative language. Other terms can be found here and here.[4] Many of these terms have become common within the modern church, in large part due to the slow and quiet inclusion of mysticism.
Richard Rohr, is the Franciscan monk who is behind the popularity of the Enneagram. As we discussed in Part 2, Rohr promotes the heresy of Perennialism. As John Providence notes, Rohr believes what we can become like gods (“the oldest lie in the book”). This is interesting because Heiser too promotes the deification of man (known as “theosis“).[5]
The occult entered the mainstream church mostly by taking the indirect path. Heiser’s teaching were so effective because he was not personally participating, but those who liked the logical implications contained in his works certainty were! Both Heiser and Comer used propaganda to hide their polytheism under other terms.
Still others insist, as does John Providence above, that not all Roman Catholicism is bad and so embrace the bad that is Roman Catholicism. In fact, the majority of the occult mystics that we’ve examined have been influenced by Roman Catholic mysticism, whether Tim Keller, Heiser, Comer, and others. While not the only method, this appears to be the primary vector by which the occult and mystical has been introduced into American Protestant churches.
John Providence does do us one service: he highlights exactly what is wrong with his mystical approach.
This is very illustrative. He is correct that mystical experiences have an external source that must be granted, but mystical experiences have two sources, not one. One is godly, the other demonic. It is simply not true that only God can grant the experiences that you have prayed for. Demons can, and do, grant miracles and endow powers.[6]
Basic doctrinal errors like this lead to deception. For example, in “On Prophets and Prophecy” I noted:
It’s a pretty major tell that Providence can’t even conceive of a single reason why Hurst would submit to anyone, even as he understands why someone else would submit to him. This is, incidentally, how cults form.
John Providence’s (apparent) inexperience with scripture led him to miss (or fail to regard) the New Testament’s teachings on authority, leadership, and submission in the church (e.g. in 1 and 2 Timothy). His question indicates that he could not come up with any idea why it might be a problem that Ed Hurst has no one to submit to in the church.
Works in this series:
“The Occult in the Mainstream Church, Part 1”
“The Occult in the Mainstream Church, Part 2”
“The Occult in the Mainstream Church, Part 3”
“The Occult in the Mainstream Church, Part 4” (this article)
Footnotes
[1] McClellan states: “That this refers to the divine council in Ps 82:1 and not Israel has been the conclusion of every scholar who has published on the issue in the last 80 years of whom I‘m aware:”
Like Heiser did with James White, McClellan doesn’t consider the alternate view to qualify as legitimate scholarship. In their minds, the issue is closed.
[2] Heiser has a short 4-page paper on John 10 here. Compare Heiser’s argument with the claim that “[Heiser] dismisses the common interpretation of Psalm 82, and its NT counterpart found in John 10:34. There, most agree, Jesus said that these elohim were men” by examining this explanation.
[3] For example, the contemplative term “discipline” does not exist, as such, in the Bible. The term used in Greek is paideia. This and other related words refer to instruction, training, education, correction, and punishment, typically of a child. Another term is gumnazó, which refers to exercise and training. When a contemplative refers to discipline, he is referring to all sorts of things except instruction and training through and by scripture.
[4] Terms include:
- Deep Healing
- Healing Care
- Inner Life
- Interior Voice
- Interior World
- Labyrinths
- Lectio Divina
- Listening (Prayer or Ministry)
- Presence
- Sacred <insert word here>
- Shadow Self
- Soul Care
- Spiritual Formation / Formational
- Spiritual Disciplines
- Spiritual Director
- Spiritual Rhythms
- Stillness, Solitude, and Silence (over words)
- The Beloved
- The Divine
- The Still, Small Voice
- The True Self
[5] Heiser believes, like Mormons, that men will become actual gods, just not God. This is not a distinction that is going to matter to many monotheists, but it holds sway with many mystics who are fans of Heiser’s Divine Council. You can read more about Heiser’s views on deification here.
[6] Many Roman Catholic mystics were stigmatists, including Teresa of Avila. Such miraculous experiences establish the association between Roman Catholic mysticism and demonic influence.
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For example, the contemplative term “discipline” does not exist, as such, in the Bible. The term used in Greek is paideia
Do you know what else doesn’t exist in Scripture but only accept in the MODERN tradcon ”red pill” version of the NT?
”Winning a potential wife over without a word(or THE WORD if ye be an ANE occultist like Brian Forbes AKA Jack Wayne)” {1 Jack(”sigma frame”) Wayne 3:1}yet none of that stops the newly initiated into ANE cults from trying!
Oscar says:
2024-09-12 at 1:13 pm
One method to implement the compliance test is to buy her an article of clothing that you want her to wear. It’s more direct than just asking her to wear something, but it also demonstrates thoughtfulness and effort on your part.
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Jack says:
2024-09-12 at 4:16 pm
Oscar,
Remember what Da Lawd told me in my special messages from him some time ago?
”Winning a potential wife(or official wife) over without a word(or THE WORD if ye be an ANE occultist like Brian Forbes AKA Jack Wayne) ” {1 Brian Forbes AKA Jack(”sigma frame”) Wayne 3:1}
The problem with this strategy/special message turned ”red pill” tradcon Scripture is that it will hang in the closet for years and will never be worn. Then when it’s sufficiently old and out of style, it will be recycled. So you just end up throwing your money away while trying to win your now official wife over without a word.
One workaround for this problem is this. Throw away all the clothes that you don’t like without a word – especially THE WORD so that she has a smaller number of items to choose from.
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Oscar says:
2024-09-12 at 11:35 pm
Not if she complies. And if she doesn’t comply, then you know she’s not for you. You got rid of her cheap like Saint Deti by hiding out in nowheresville, Europe brah.
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Oscar says:
2024-09-13 at 1:08 am
I should have clarified that I meant that method for the time prior to marriage.
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Jack says:
2024-09-13 at 1:09 am
Oscar,
Yeah, I assumed you were talking about the context of marriage, since we’re both married.
And we’re all about the red pill tradcon NT Scripture, ”Winning a potential wife(or official wife) over without a word(or THE WORD if ye be an ANE occultist like Brian Forbes AKA Jack Wayne) ” {1 Brian Forbes AKA Jack(”sigma frame”) Wayne 3:1}
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