The Roman Catholic Axiom can be defined in various ways. Here are a few:
Sola ecclesia: Roman Catholicism is the Church that Jesus founded on Peter and his successors. Because Rome is the True Church, every doctrine it teaches is therefore true.
Indeed, the very fact that a doctrine has been at any time held universally with the sanction of the Church, is of itself a proof, not only that such doctrine is infallibly true, but also in full accord with Apostolic teaching. Since, otherwise, the promise of Christ would be found to have failed, and the gates of hell be shown to have prevailed against His Church.
The tiring Protestant rhetoric of pointing to early Church Fathers who erred by denying points that were later dogmatized by the Church is refuted by St. Augustine writing against the Donatists:
“But if they really had baptism, and this was not rightly perceived by those who thought that they should be baptized again, that error was covered by the charity of unity so long as it contained.”
— Augustine On Baptism, 5, 2.
The recent explicates the older.
When looking at doctrinal development, it behooves us to look at the former through the lens of what it developed into later.
All of these formulations point to the authority of the Roman Catholic church to claim that what it teaches now is correct, apostolic, and testified to by the apostles in unbroken succession backwards through time, either by written or spoken word, with the latter doing most of the heavy lifting.
I have found it impossible to ground my Christian faith on historical claims about things that happened or got written many hundreds of years ago – with an expectation that our fundamental beliefs ought to be dictated by “the historical evidence”.
Such a faith devolves to scholarly (or pseudo scholarly) wrangling about what did or did not happen then; and what that implies for now.
The same applies to a faith grounded in Scripture, with Scripture seen as primary – in practice this degenerates into wrangling over historical and linguistic assertions about textual sources, corruptions, transmission, translation, cultural context etc etc.
With Christianity defined in the supposedly evidential and backward looking fashion, it seems nigh impossible to have a solid and committed faith – so multi-stepped and extended are the necessary chains of judgment and interpretation.
What results is terribly complex, hence terribly insecure.
It seems evident to me that our personal faith must be rooted in what we can know, grasp, comprehend for ourselves and directly (by spiritual knowledge, not by verbal and written language, not by institutional transmission).
Catholic/ Protestant debates seem like superficial quibbles when the significant problems* with both are identical and fundamental.
These include – the question of “how do we know?” as discussed jus now.
As well as the problems resulting from the shared Catholic/ Protestant dogmas of omni-God, creation ex nihilo, and monotheism – with the consequent elimination of any coherent (including clear and simple) explanations for the reality of evil and a basis for Man’s freedom.
Also
Bruce(from you’re latest post today),
People writing (online) often claim to be disengaged from mass media (in which I include social media) – or having a “fast” from it. But in reality this (much lake fasting from food) this does not mean a total cessation of contact, but actually means being selective and cutting down the amount of what is consumed.
i largely agree with this too, except most mean ”i only stay in my own ghetto( e.g., GOPLGBTQ+ or DEMLGBTQ+ for Americans or ToryLGBTQ+ or LabourLGBTQ+ if ye be fully English instead of only partial like myself & lastmod here at DEREK’S)” by ”disengagement”/”fast” .
It seems evident to me that our personal faith must be rooted in what we can know, grasp, comprehend for ourselves and directly (by spiritual knowledge, not by verbal and written language, not by institutional transmission).
Yeah! i largely agree with this.
i mostly knew what JESUS said(& did) through films like ITC’S ’77’s JESUS of Nazareth in the ’80s, as my loving extended ”family” was allowed to run wild over thinking about inheritance(even though my grand parents were only in their 60s/early 70s at the time)& how i was the BIGGEST & GREATEST impediment to them getting their ”fair share” as well as to them being allowed to run wild as even back then i was very Godzilla/Gojiraish over my Japan-like ancestral homeland(that i actually lived & worked on unlike most of my extended ”family” of fiat money lusting & womanly bums & outlaws-the gina & butt-centric gamey and womanly, complaint-heavy ”redpill” bums & outlaws of the faux-masculine ”manosphere” remind me of that scum of decade’s past).
DEREK
Do you agree with this analysis of Jesse Lee Peterson & ”rpgenius” ”leaders” in general(let alone ”the heretics of one” ones)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_A1IUaZEYM
“All Women Are EVIL” | This is Why Jesse Lee Peterson Is Still Single…
All women are evil. The question is whether they are evil to you or will be evil to your kids, or pets, or whether they will be evil to outsiders. That is what it is your task as a man to determine.
All women are evil. The question is whether they are evil to you or will be evil to your kids, or pets, or whether they will be evil to outsiders. That is what it is your task as a man to determine.
Oh, i know that, but a certain self-righteous ”redpill” checkerpants{redacted}GOPLGBTQ+supporter didn’t like JESUS applying it to MEN too when i did a comment at Deepstrength’s site about two years ago with this:
Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is [essentially] good [by nature] except God alone.-Mark 10:18-Amplified Bible (AMP)
i was a anti-MENZ pro-DEMLGBTQ+supporter according to checkerpants{redacted}GOPLGBTQ+supporter for stating ”none are good NOT even one”
Jesus also said “a good man brings forth good things from his treasure and an evil man evil things” etc. So if you follow the variant that the Augustinians want and insist on “Why do you call me good? Only God is good” then you make Jesus contradict himself. Further “None is good but God; therefore if you desire to enter into life , keep the commandments” makes ZERO sense. So I judge that the correct variant is the one they don’t want you to know about “Why do you ask me about the good? Only one thing is good; therefore if you desire to enter into life, keep the commandments” as its only one that even makes sense. Another issue is that if Jesus is God, why would he seemingly deny it? Their preferred reading is literal nonsense they invented to push total depravity. They don’t even care that their fakery causes a problem for teaching the deity of Christ and emboldens unitarians, because all that matters is pushing total depravity so..well originally so they could push infant baptism, but now so they can fornicate all they like. They pretend it can be interpreted backwards “see Jesus is denying being God to make the guy realize he is God after all”—absurd! Their reading is wrong.
Its ultimately “I’m right because I’m a cultist.” For instance see Trent Horn’s response to Redeemed Zoomers recent video on Roman Catholic contradictions. Trent can just use his private lie-ment (I can’t call it judgement) to redefine if a council or papal document is infallible or not, so long as the end goal is to remain within the cult. RZ does the same for the PCUSA, sure its pro-gay but he can stay at one of its congregstions with a lesbian pastor and be a bonafide conservative. All high church guys do this. You need to be LCMS because we’re the most based, matters not that the president of the denom put out a new version of Luther’s catechism that added woke articles to it that say p d o files just have a spec in their eye and then defended that in a speech where he said there is more depravity in his heart than in a drag queen in a library nor that we have female deacona, we’re the most based. You should be Anglican, matters not we are so Anglo-Catholic we openly discuss desiring to go back unde rthe pope even while criticizing him for blessing gay unions, and matters not that all our subdenoms ordain women priests or at least deacons, hey at least one of them doesn’t allow women bishops, and hey we cense the host which means we’re just papist larpers, but bro we are the most based one true Protestant church. Its so ridiculous.
See where ”least heretical” ”patriarchy”GOPLGBTQ+ pastor Doug Wilson here talking about those ”rebellious” ”cool” ”rp” churchians at 2:26 in(that destroyed the ”manosphere” 8+ years ago)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL4DxMZXNIA
How Young Men Elected TrumpGOPLGBTQ+ – 04/17/2025 | Charlie KirkGOPLGBTQ+ and Doug Wilson”patriarchy”GOPLGBTQ+
Dougie”patriarchy”GOPLGBTQ+ is like most ”cool” ”rp” churchians (but as a hardcore bluepillian BOLD & BIBLICAL checkerpantsGOPLGBTQ+ version that knows not ROISSYIAN nor GBFMIAN ”game”), they want to be associated with ”what’s happening” at the time & then imitate it horribly(like Dougie did with Mark DiscollGOPLGBTQ+), but in the most churchian way possible(ask guys like JackGOPLGBTQ+ or FarmBoy=FBGOPINTJX+both believe in a hardcore BOLD & BIBLICAL ”redpill” churchian way that fails to imitate ROISSY & GBFMS ways of bringing in the entire world of non-churchians and churchians alike, instead of just either churchian GOPLGBTQ+ or DEMLGBTQ+ that they’re use to).
PREACH, PREACH, PREACH, checkerpants{redacted}GOPLGBTQ+supporter!!!!!
checkerpants{redacted}GOPLGBTQ+supporter says:
7 October, 2025 at 5:37 pm
Churchian DEMLGBTQ+ Trolls don’t like to hear the truth(like us churchian checkerpantsGOPLGBTQ+supporter either) . And a lot of churchian checkerpants”rp” GOPLGBTQ+ truth gets dished out here at checkerpants{GOPLGBTQ+supporters central. Maybe that’s why they’re congregating and commenting elsewhere. But I for one have enjoyed the relative peace without the Churchian DEMLGBTQ+ trolls & just us checkerpantsGOPLGBTQ+supporters that are totally different!
… it is a matter of a man’s will to take what is his.
So much in life depends on that. To have a successful movement you only need to get 3-5% of the GOPLGBTQ+ population highly motivated to turn back society from the NPC DEMLGBTQ+ sheeple’s mindless wanderings that speak NOT of ”@nal s*x is sanctifying” &” or@l sodomy done GOPLGBTQ+ is Biblical” &” anti-st. Dalrock wifely discipline”.
As ST.TFM=TurdFlingingMonkey once said we just need to be churchian”redpill” GOPLGBTQ+ & take” men’”s rights and privileges back away from women(& put our collective noses in JackGOPLGBTQ+S rear end). Repeal the 19th Amendment, restore presumed churchian”redpill” GOPLGBTQ+ father custody & strut like TrumpGOPLGBTQ+ AKA the new Vincent Kennedy McMahon!
Where did Jesus ever say:
You will setup my Fathers House with:
*Bishops, Deacons, a priest and a Pope
*A church Board of Directors
*You must be able to speak, read, and write in Latin
*Regalia and vestments of fine robes, gold, gilt
*A worship of my sacred, holy, blameless mother
*lighting candles to the Saints
*feasts of this saint, that saint
*You must confess your sins weekly to your priest
*if your church does not have a patron saint, it cannot be a church
*holy water
*rosary
*’christening’
should I go on???