A preprint study was recently released which perhaps provides some insight to the observation recently made at “When Should You Get Married?” regarding those with top 2% intelligence. It would seem to apply to the common Manosphere male archetype, a college educated man with above-average intelligence.
Want to be an incel for life? Have a lot of upper body strength, a high IQ, a great education, and stay away from alcohol and cigarettes. It also helps somewhat if you are on the autism spectrum.
Oh, and before you ask, the effects are similar for both male and female.
The largest investigation to date on not having had sex late in life:
Our study of >400 thousand individuals links sexlessness to higher education, lower substance use, personality, mental health, physical traits, regional characteristics, and genetics.
”Want to be an incel for life? Have a lot of upper body strength, a high IQ, a great education, and stay away from alcohol and cigarettes. It also helps somewhat if you are on the autism spectrum.”
” alcohol and cigarettes.”
Shouldn’t that be alcohol and drugs or at least as Fred Sandford used to say ”ripple and latin lettuce”đđđđ
Or are you saying, like the manosphere used to seem like it was saying to GBFM(who was at nearly the same time representing the GREAT MEN in history & the casual Conservative reader of the sphere with his observations and questions) by promoting game
”When in Rome, butthex like the Romans do”-which i forgot was attributed to St. Ambrose
You also know Heartiste told everyone about high inhibitions in a study on this post?:https://heartiste.org/2018/05/18/power-approach-and-inhibition-a-study-of-alpha-males-and-beta-males/
”Power, Approach, And Inhibition: A Study Of Alpha Males And Beta Males
May 18th, 2018 by CH
A very interesting paper examines power relations in humans, and in so doing illuminates classic dichotomies between the behaviors of alpha males and beta males. Link.
This article examines how power influences behavior. Elevated power is associated with increased rewards and freedom and thereby activates approach-related tendencies. Reduced power is associated with increased threat, punishment, and social constraint and thereby activates inhibition-related tendencies. The authors derive predictions from recent theorizing about approach and inhibition and review relevant evidence. Specifically, power is associated with (a) positive affect, (b) attention to rewards, (c) automatic information processing, and (d) disinhibited behavior. In contrast, reduced power is associated with (a) negative affect; (b) attention to threat, punishment, othersâ interests, and those features of the self that are relevant to othersâ goals; (c) controlled information processing; and (d) inhibited social behavior. The potential moderators and consequences of these power-related behavioral patterns are discussed.
If you want to get over Approach Anxiety, feel more powerful. (Likewise, by the transitive property of the behavior-cognition-emotion feedback loops, if you want to feel more powerful, start approaching more girls.) Easier said than done? This is one of those studies where most of the useful gems of knowledge are tucked deep in the paper and only alluded to in the abstract.
Power influences human behavior. When you have it, you act differently, in accordance with the goals of someone who expects deference, gratitude, and reward. When you donât have it, the world is a frightening place. You act like a trembling field mouse waiting for a hawk to swoop from the air and carry you off.
First, a relevant quote:
The fundamental concept in social science is Power, in the same sense that Energy is the fundamental concept in physics . . . The laws of social dynamics are laws which can only be stated in terms of power. (Russell, 1938, p. 10)
All human interaction can be stripped down to battles for power, on macro and micro levels. Power in this usage means the ability to influence our social environment to our personal advantage. The study authors define power asâŚ
âŚan individualâs relative capacity to modify othersâ states by providing or withholding resources or administering punishments. This capacity is the product of the actual resources and punishments the individual can deliver to others.
Resources and punishments can be material (food, money, economic opportunity, physical harm, or job termination) and social (knowledge, affection, friendship, decision-making opportunities, verbal abuse, or ostracism). The value of resources or punishments reflects other individualsâ dependence on those resources.
The perceived freedom with which individuals can deliver resources and punishments to others also influences the individualâs level of power. Beliefs about the exercise of power figure prominently in cultural values and moralsâŚas well as attitudes within personal relationships. Beliefs about the freedom to exercise power can come into conflict with the actual resources and punishments the individual can deliver to othersâa tension that we elaborate on later.
Emphasis mine. Game largely resides in the domain of social resources and punishments, ie mindfucking.
If social status is power, what is status?
Our definition also distinguishes power from related constructs. Status is the outcome of an evaluation of attributes that produces differences in respect and prominence. Status in part determines the allocation of resources within groups and, by implication, each individualâs power. However, it is possible to have power without status (e.g., the corrupt politician) and status without relative power (e.g., a readily identified religious leader in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles). Authority is power that derives from institutionalized roles or arrangements, but power can exist in the absence of formal roles (e.g., within informal groups). Dominance is behavior that has the acquisition of power as its end, yet power can be attained without performing acts of dominance (e.g., leaders who attain their positions through their cooperative and fair-minded style). Thus status, authority, and dominance are all potential determinants of power as we define it.
In seduction, a manâs status, authority, and dominance are each alone highly arousing to women, but together they create the archetypal powerful alpha male which few women can resist. See: our President.
Letâs dig into the relevant meat of the paper that addresses, if obliquely, the power dynamics between alpha and beta males as pertains to pickup and approaching women.
Of the many objects of social attention, we will focus on three: rewards or punishments, other individuals, and the self. We propose that high-power individuals, who are disposed to approach, will attend to potential rewards rather than to threats and as a consequence will construe others through a lens of self-interest. In contrast, low-power individuals will be more sensitive to threats than rewards and will therefore construe themselves vis-a`-vis othersâ interests.
Alphas donât see women as a threat and expect good reactions (rewards) from approaching women, so they feel less inhibited. They are embodiments of male privilege, feeling entitled to rewards from women and seeing them as avenues to fulfill their self-interest. Naturally, women reward these entitled privileged men because women are attracted to confident men.
Betas see every interaction with women as a potential mine field of shame and humiliation and rejection, so theyâre more cautious and fearful of approaching women. Betas are also overly empathic and concerned with womenâs feelings; they are the opposite of entitled, always assessing their own actions for how they may impact othersâ feelings. This is why PUAs say betas âlive in their headsâ which gets in the way of their romantic success.
A related prediction is that elevated power will increase the tendency to perceive rewards and opportunities in ambiguous acts and interactions (Hypothesis 6). One suggestive line of studies finds that men, who might be assumed to occupy positions of elevated power, perceive sexual interest in womenâs ambiguous behavior.
Self-entitled men do better with women because theyâre more likely to bust a move, perceiving sexual interest from women where there might not be any. This is an advantageous self-deception because 1. it motivates approaching women which increases his romantic opportunities and 2. it projects supreme self-confidence which is attractive to women.
A complementary prediction is that low-power individuals will perceive themselves as a means to the ends of high-power individuals, or as the instrument of othersâ goals and desires. [âŚ]
We have posited that high-power individuals selectively attend to rewards and how others satisfy self-interests, whereas low-power individuals attend to punishment and threat and construe the self through a lens of othersâ interests.
Alphas are a means to their own ends.
Betas are a means to othersâ ends.
This has sexual market implications.
Betas need to be more selfish to succeed at attracting women.
Alphas can become too selfish and sabotage their relationships (platonic and romantic). Often, alphas could benefit from being more selfless.
The approach system modulates processes related to eating, offensive aggression, and sexual behavior. Power should therefore increase the performance of approach related behaviors in these and other domains. Power should prompt the performance of simple approach behaviors (Hypothesis 18), such as entering the social space of others and initiating physical contact. Indeed, high levels of touching behavior correlate with being male, being older, and having higher SES. Studies of adults and children indicate that high-status, powerful individuals are more likely to approach subordinates at interpersonal distances that indicate intimacy.
Game concept vindicated: kino escalation. Get physical sooner rather than later if you want to improve your meet-to-lay ratio with women.
âŚhigh-power individuals should be more likely to engage in aggressive acts (Hypothesis 24). Several research literatures lend support to this prediction. Across contexts (e.g., school playgrounds, hospital settings, and summer camps), high-status individuals are more likely to tease (rather than avoid the potentially offensive teasing in the first place), and when they tease, they do so in more hostile ways. In one study of heterosexual and homosexual relationships, the partner who was less committed to the relationship, and therefore more powerful, was more likely to bully the partner.
Bullying is a cue for power. This helps explain why women are attracted to, and stay with, a-holes: a-holery is a proxy for power, which in a man is a highly attractive trait.
We have not portrayed power in a flattering light. High-power individuals tend to act in ways that disregard conventions, morals, and the effects on others. Yet approach-related behavior can be of a more prosocial nature, and our analysis and the supportive findings of Chen and colleagues (2001) do suggest that high-power individuals will engage in behaviors that violate social norms in prosocial ways. Some of these behaviors include intervening in emergencies or helping others in distress, mediating conflicts, and expressing approval and affection.
I can think of one other, very topical, prosocial way that powerful men violate social norms: speaking ugly truth to globohomo power.
High-need-for-power individuals engaged in profligate gambling, drinking, and sexual licentiousness less often when two kinds of life events enhanced their accountability: having younger siblings and becoming a parent. In fact, the social responsibilities tied to having a younger sibling or being a parent led high-power individuals to engage in more prosocial, approach-related behaviors, such as involvement in voluntary organizations. More generally, we would predict that accountability would lead to less approach-related emotion, more attention to others, and more careful cognition in high-power individuals.
Unsurprisingly to anyone who isnât a liberal, accountability regulates the expression of power. Relaxing accountability leads to more abuses of power (see for example, the modren American woman).
Accountability is enhanced by younger siblings and parenthood. This should send up a red flag. In European Christendom, White family sizes are shrinking and parenthood is delayed. The consequence will be powerful people expressing their power in less prosocial ways and with more self-gratifying impulsivity.
High-power individuals may be more likely to stereotype others or perceive homogeneity in their social worlds because those with less power inhibit the expression of their actual attitudes.
Weak, spineless soyboys and low value skanky pussyhatters cling to kumbaya universalism because they donât have the balls nor the smv to express their true feelings.
When do the powerful fall? When their disinhibition becomes pathological:
The very individuals who might keep in check this pattern of [high-power individualsâ] behaviors, those with less power, are constrained in thought, word, and action.
This analysis just as readily reveals the conditions for social change: The excesses of powerful leadersâtheir propensity for disinhibited behavior and stereotypic, error-prone social perceptionsâ
Virtue signaling leftoid equalists.
are certain to feed into the processes that lead to changes in leadership.
Hello, Deep State!
These speculations make contact with social psychologyâs longstanding interest in authority and group dynamics, as seen in Lewin, Lippitt, and Whiteâs (1939) early investigation of authoritarian and egalitarian playgroups; Sherif, Harvey, White, Hood, and Sherifâs (1961) Robbers Cave experiment; Janisâs (1972) discussion of groupthink; and Emersonâs (1962) lasting observation that low-power individuals constrain the actions of high-power individuals by affording them respect and status and thus controlling their public reputation.
Rescinding the respect and status that low-power people accord high-power people will render the latter less powerful. Or, to put it in Heartistian terms, The Mocking Shiv will Save the West.”
On a certain incel blackpill(the lack of hope, joy, and in general lack of CHRIST is heartbreaking there-they are the exact opposite of guys like GBFM & the GREAT MEN in history, as too many speak of ”roping” just because of women NOT giving them s*x?) site i’ve been reading here and there at since mid-June, many of them know they have high inhibitions, which contributes to their inceldom.
With Incels. Many are on the “spectrum” but not full blown, nor needing “therapy” and treatment (medication).
We at one time we just called this a “personality quirk” or behavior that might cause a smirk by others, or perhaps even causing an “endearment” by a gal that actually likes him.
Today? Well…….everything is a condition that requires tons of therapy, medication, evaluations, studies, treatment and metrics…and this person will “never” get better unless he (usually a he) stays on program, on task for-the-rest-of-his-life and then with the same slight of hand “h, women hate men who are on medications, it shows they are weak / not genetically fit” or some other eugenical nonsense. Our culture, even on the “trad” side seems to believe medication / treatment and therapy and counseling will make these men winners when not believing a word of what they speak / espouse.
Do Incels have high IQ? Maybe some do. I am sure they all fall within the range limits of the bell curve. Some are smart, others are average and other are lower (perhaps depending on how much on the spectrum they are more than likely)
As for being fit? Upper body strenght? My time with Incels in their forums and meeting many over the past decade and a half. You see overcompensation. Women like men who are fit, jacked nice body? Well, many will make this their raison d’ etre. Met many an Incel who is cut / defined in excellent shape…but still has an ugly face. Met many an Incel who is overweight, unemployed and focuses on Star Trek, Star Wars and comic books (comic book guy from The Simpsons)
The ‘sphere and people who gloss over Incels have always quick “textbook” answers as to why they are the way they are. They are lazy, entitled, not “real men” and dont follow the sound, and perfect Red Pill advise. If they did this? They would be okay.
Its deeper than that.
A lot of it, to me…not *all* of course is socialization. Critical points in their development that were indeed knocked off course at critical ages or parts of develpment; and are almost impossible to overcome past a certain age.
What I have noticed with many:
Bullied extensively in elementary and high school for no reason other than them just existing. Having an overprotective mother / cold and distant father or a combination of both. Most Incels I have met and spoken with surprisingly come from homes with an *intact* marriage of their parents. A large swath seemed to have missed out during puberty of dating, or having a girl *like* them or meeting girls. They seemed to be deemed “creepy” or “odd” from the moment this starts in middle school / jr high. Most are average to below average looking physically. Men cannot help their height. Men cannot help the face they were given.
Almost all have a common thread. Most are withdrawn and shy because of the life-long beat down by peers, women, co-workers, classmates. Most did indeed learn to be able able to spend time alone and not have a solid friend / peer group. This also contributes to the vicious circle.
Red Pill wil say “just go out and join Toastmasters, I was a nerd and lonely, I joined this club, and I became confident, learned how to speak and women now find me irresistable and a catch.”
You cannot undo decades of these issues with these kinds of men with flippant remarks.
The Incels who do break free are (drum roll)
Deemed good looking by women. Their personality quirk is “cute” and normal! He’s misunderstood!
Anyone else is a creep who needs medication, therapym counseling and has to learn to be happy with what “god gave them”
It’s not all of them, for sure, but many men in the Manosphere are definitely of reasonably high intelligence. The things they write reflect higher levels of reasoning ability. Some of more intelligent than others, of course, but in general the Manosphere is not attracting many (if any) 85 IQ men.
Dalrock, for example, was clearly gifted (even if his audience wasn’t). The same goes for Artisanal Toad who exhibited an even higher degree of reasoning ability. I’m pretty sure that Larry Kummer at Fabius Maximus is gifted. Quite a few historical commenters to this blog are gifted by their own attestations.
I think this goes a long way to explaining the wildly divergent results.
I’ll respectfully disagree.
Most men in the ‘sphere just have a quick answer, put down or answer that perhaps makes them look smart. I was taught that the average IQ was 100 as a man for that silly test.
Most people who are average lord it off as if their score was 20 points higher, and they are not afraid to tell you how “intelligent” they are.
Incels have a scope of a “social IQ” that is lower than average for the most part. Social cues cannot be read or are overcompensated. An Incel man realizes he offended someone, instead of saying “sorry bro” he will gush with the apology, almost begging the person he offended to not hate him. I’ve seen this. Or, he ignores his transgression and says “I dont owe you an apology / anything” when actually a “Im sorry” would have mended the situation quickly / put it to rest. He comes off as a pompus ass with stances like this. Also, the overcompensation on this end. “Saying sorry is being NICE, and men are not NICE and women hate NICE actions. I dont do anything NICE”(very extreme or over compensating one way or another)
With Incels there is a “social IQ” that is underdevoped , ignored or perhaps a causation of the “spectrum” he is on.
Some just dont care.
I know what I’m saying cannot be taken as “science” or proof beacuse Red Pill already has the answers to why they are the way they are, and the rest of society (women) dont care about Incels anyway…they’re losers.
Anyway….
”Red Pill wil say âjust go out and join Toastmasters, I was a nerd and lonely, I joined this club, and I became confident, learned how to speak and women now find me irresistable and a catch.â
You cannot undo decades of these issues with these kinds of men with flippant remarks.
The Incels who do break free are (drum roll)
Deemed good looking by women. Their personality quirk is âcuteâ and normal! Heâs misunderstood!
Anyone else is a creep who needs medication, therapym counseling and has to learn to be happy with what âgod gave themâ”(there’s a genius ”mastermind archetect” who doesn’t know when i quote others)
MOD,
Remember those ”I know a bald guy or 5′ 2” guy who gets all the hot chix” stories?But at least the 5’2” guy in this story was a bartender.
Here’s an early one in the manosphere golden age on the Heartiste ” The Right Game For Your Body Type: The Mesomorph” post:
on August 15, 2012 at 5:44 pm | ReplyYaReally
”I know a 5â2âł guy who regularly attracts hot girls (even tall chicks lol). Heâs not a PUA, more of a Natural, but he has shitty endgame so while he gets a bunch of attraction (that objectively you wouldnât expect him to be able to get, esp from the girls he gets it from), he has trouble closing the deal because he fucks up a bunch of game principles and gets ASD/LMR and doesnât know how to handle flaking. If he learned just a bit of endgame stuff he would be unstoppable but as most gamers know you canât teach someone game unless they WANT to learn it.
Iâve picked his brain a bit and we go way back so Iâve observed what he does and his general mindset. I also have another buddy, same height, who actively wants to learn game but is starting from the complete opposite place as the first guy, so Iâve looked at the contrast between how the two of them act and why one gets attraction from girls while the other doesnât and itâs all pretty consistent/logical.
Iâll write some shit up when I get some free time.
Also for the record Iâm 5â9âł and my friends who game with me are anywhere from 5â2âł-6â6âł, and a variety of body types/shapes, as well as a variety of races.
on August 16, 2012 at 2:47 am | ReplyAnonymous
Game is BS. Itâs all about looks with females are they are hardwired to find a certain look sexually attractive.Your little buddy strikes out because heâs short not because he doesnât know some pickup lines.
I figured you were a short ecto like most on here along with your friends and perhaps 1 geeky looking Howard Stern type đ
on August 16, 2012 at 11:56 amAllerious
Game is only roughly 80% BS. đ
Yes, looks and status count first and foremost. Two different men pulling the exact same moves, one attractive and one not, will yield two completely different sets of results. If game were not largely BS, this would not be so.
on August 16, 2012 at 11:54 am | ReplyAllerious
Highly doubt it unless weâre talking about the over 25 crowd, in which case those â8â˛sâ need to be qualified as â8â˛s by over-25 standardsâ.
Whatâs his profession?
on August 16, 2012 at 2:06 pm | ReplyYaReally
Bartender. That should tell you a lot right there lol
Bartending has basically given him a shitload of practice 1) building comfort quickly with strangers, 2) flirting, 3) teasing/negging/qualifying girls (for being/saying dumb stuff while drinking), 4) not taking girls seriously (heâs surrounded by hot girls including his co-workers thanks to his environment so theyâre not a scary intimidating thing to him), 5) leading/ordering/scolding (he works in a pub where heâs basically the top dog of the chain), 6) tons of social proof cause the guys at his pub all think heâs cool and lots of regulars give him props all night, 7) shit-tons of practice both befriending guys and AMOGing them to encourage them to drink more and not be pussies, and to tool them back with a barrage of Russell Brand style wit if they dare try to tool him about his height (heâs already heard every joke you can make about it and heâs got a dozen killer comebacks that will leave you stunned and looking like a retard in front of your girl and your buddies (who will all cheer for him and laugh at you with him because we love when our friends get owned unexpectedly)), and 8) he has practice expressing himself 100% from swearing when heâs mad to having deep philosophical convos over a beer to making dirty jokes etc no censorship at all and 9) he has no approach anxiety at all because he expect people to like him and heâs had hundreds of thousands of conversations with people from all walks of life so he knows thereâs nothing to be scared of or have anxiety over.
Girls will be hanging on their BFs arm up doing a shot and my buddy will tool the guy a bit and the guy will love him for it because thatâs how drunk guys work (now he has status, and the admiration of her BF) and the girl will start flirting with him and completely ignore her BF and occasionally slip him her number etc. Its a mindfuck every time I see it but itâs makes sense when you analyze it through game goggles.
Would he be able to take down a loud nightclub full of jersey shore douches solo? Probably not. But he can cause a helluva scene at a pub and when he goes to restaraunts and in daytime environments (grocery store, mall, running errands, etc) which are where he meets most of the girls he meets. Hell by default heâs peacocked being that short so heâs already one-up on the generic average guy in terms of being noticed when he walks into a room.
Most of the stuff he gets from bartending translates to daygame. Heâll walk into a relatively quiet pub mid-afternoon and he knows eyes are on him. Heâll be loud and start cracking jokes and building comfort with the bartender and whoeverâs on a stool beside him. From there other people wonder âwho is this guy?â and start trying to get on his radar just out of curiosity. He tools a girl for doing something dumb (like ordering a gay drink or wincing after doing a shot with her BF) and then she starts wanting his validation so she starts qualifying to him. Now everyone is seeing a girl validating herself to this little guy so naturally out come the AMOGs to try to take her but he owns them with his wit because heâs run into tools like them all his life and he tools them in a way where they love him after, so now heâs got the girl qualifying, the guys buying him drinks, the girlâs girlfriends asking her about him, and the whole time the hot bartender chick from the start is watching his status rocket up through the roof and starts flirting. Now everyone sees the hot bartender flirting with him and hypergamy kicks inâŚ
Etc etc etc. itâs pretty amazing to watch. Itâs like this huge snowball effect. Everyone, even myself, falls into his frame and he sets the tone of the room and socially takes over. Heâs just like a social tornado going through the room and everyone else ends up swept up into it.
If youâre super short, you donât have to become a bartender but if you can develop the same attitudes my buddy has through other means (like massive field experience doing pickup), pick specific types of environments to game in, and learn to work a crowd, you can structure a lifestyle where youâre getting girls other guys wouldnât expect you to be able to get.
Compare him to the short guy with a big chip on his shoulder about his height and a bunch of insecurities who thinks you need tons of money to get girls so he works 80hrs a week at his office job (when heâs not at the gym getting overly jacked which just highlights his Manlet insecurity) and occasionally makes it out of his mansion for happy hour where heâs surrounded by his boss who he has to behave in front of and play beta to, and his rich confident co-workers who barely know him because he works too much, in a loud bar environment where he doesnât know anyone and has to compete with a bunch of other guys and he orders his drink meekly and quietly from the waitress in his big group of guys who are all awkwardly trying to hit on her.
Like I say tho, he gets beautiful opportunities but heâs still socially conditioned enough (never taken the red pill) to often fuck up the end game by getting white-knighty when the girl is hot and he realizes he has a chance lol. If he tightened that up heâd be killer. He still gets laid, but not as much as he COULD be lol
on August 16, 2012 at 11:30 pmAnonymous
The shorty doth protest too much, methinks :)”
Oh yes…..guy is uglier than a backside of a barn but has “amazing game” and women just love him for who he is.
Outlier. Exception. Not the norm.
Its like that very handsome guy in all the RomCom movies. He’s so heartbreakingly cute / attractive “but gosh darn it, the gurls dont like him!” and of course he does get the girl and he has to learn “to-just-be-himself” and it will work out. Hollywood is great at this!
“The Onion” even joked 25 years ago “Romantic Comedy Behavior Gets Real Man Arrested”
and the article explained the situation, but the picture of “said man”. Well, he was was bald, a little overweight. Shorter than average. Get a better looking guy to do this, and probably the results of his behavior would have been different. Well, would have been rceeived better by the woman in question I am sure đ
My time with Incels in their forums and meeting many over the past decade and a half. You see overcompensation. Women like men who are fit, jacked nice body? Well, many will make this their raison dâ etre. Met many an Incel who is cut / defined in excellent shapeâŚbut still has an ugly face. Met many an Incel who is overweight, unemployed and focuses on Star Trek, Star Wars and comic books (comic book guy from The Simpsons)
MOD,
Isn’t most (online) incels today either ”physical PUA” A.K.A. ”looksmaxxers” or ”DGAF”(about ”normie” culture/”soyciety”)guys like comic book guy from The Simpsons?
{Sort of like a lot of the ”loud” (online) redpillers are either ”verbal PUA”(in other words, a-holes similar to PUAS (online) bravado about sex, but now it’s about Trump or tradwifes with(online) redpillers or they are ”loud””DGAF” as they preach ”wimminz must step up and save Western Civilization by submitting to I & Trump”.Most (online) redpillers mainly read the other two ”loud” redpillers, though it seems.
The brooding semi-emo type Elli@t R@dgers incels from the mid-2010s mainly died out, it seems around 5 years ago or more, it seems to i. Just like most redpill/gamer guys stopped yelling ”GAME will save Western civilization” around the same time after all that Weinstein stuff happened, and online dating apps became ”acceptable” and fully mainstream circa 2019/20.
MOD,
You know what i agree with a lot of incels on?
Prices of new video games(which seem to bug a lot of them)!
Like this guy at WCCFTECH said 11 days ago
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”Once games start with $80, $90 or more as the norm, is the day I’m done buying and will torrent 100% on PC. I been doing it with movies, tv shows, etc. for 20+yrs anyway, might as well throw games in there to. I feel they are not even worth $70+, another reason I wait and buy used Switch 1 games on ebay. I have a Switch 2 but will also buy used Switch 2 games. This might be the last console I buy, and just go full on PC wait for console games to be cracked then play a few I like with an emulator.”
i didn’t want to pay $40 or $50 for a new game 20 years ago, as i would usually wait for them to go down to $20 or so. i myself?
I haven’t really played video games in nearly a decade.
Just like i barely watch any TV & the last time i went to the movie theatre was in July 1992?(Cool World was the film with a pre-superstar Brad Pitt and a younger Kim Basinger ). Last video game system i bought?Nintendo 3DS.i didn’t buy a PS3/4/5 or XBOX360/ONE or any of the Wii or Switchs either.
Inceldom in a blog form peaked somewhere between 2010 and 2015. Most now are just lumped into “MGTOW / Blackpill” camps or areas.
Dr. G Martin who coined the term “loveshy” back in the 1980’s was a quack but he was on to something, the reseacrh evolved into which became “Incel”
In 1989 an angry , young French university student went on a rampage killing a bunch of classmates at the university. In what followed afterward in the investigation was that he was a “zero” with women. Always rejected. Had some personality problems for sure. Had social IQ issues. He was an “average” looking young man. Not classically handsome, but def not ugly. He developed an anger to and at women (for rejecting him), and men for belittling him in this area.
He was probably the first “recorded” incident of this “incel rage” which evidently happens everyday, and “women are afraid to go out in public because of creepy, dangerous men like this” (rolls eyes)
After the incident with American ‘spoiled brat’ Elliot, the Incel forms became watched very closely, and many shut down, or just remained inactive.
These incidents still happen, one in England a year or so ago in a residntial / suburban neighborhood……and these men are brandished with a wide brush stroke of being “Incel” which may be true, or if they visted an Incel page, the media determines that they were an “extremist voice / leader” in this community.
Firstly, when this rage happens, mostly MEN are killed. Not women.
Secondly, 99% of Incels are harmless. Most have very serious problems (way, WAY worse than what I dealt with or came up with) and
Thirdly, the advice from fellow men is: counseling/ pump them full of medication / advice from the Red Pill (Game / PUA) of just man up, hit the gym, talk to women, gain confidence, be-all-you-can-be, get a good job, skydive on weekends, get fashion sense, repair cars from the 1950’s and have an amazing life (“what? you dont go whitewater rafting in Thailand yearly? No wonder women hate you! You have no excitement in your life. You are such a Beta!” lol!)
Lastly, there isnt really a place for men like this in their situation to go to or do anything, let alone fix it.
As for men like this who rampage and kill people like this? Zero sympathy. None. Jail for life. If I was the “king” I would pull the lever myself on the elctric chair for men who d this.
Most Incels nw just hang in MGTOW / Blackpill or hobby forums (gaming, art, gardening; of which many Incels have found comfort in this, I applaud this hobby)
Most realize that are tainted by the wider media now, and men, and women and have just faded into the larger ‘sphere.
Most of the Incels I have met are pretty normal. In another era, they probably would have been married, fathers and probably a decent parent.
But you know…….Red Pill will just tell them they are lazy, God-made-them-that-way so they could glorify Him; while backslaping them that they are not real men because they dont have women drooling over them daily. Its rough to be an Incel, but many are actually holding up well in 2025. All things considered.
”As for being fit? Upper body strenght? My time with Incels in their forums and meeting many over the past decade and a half. You see overcompensation. Women like men who are fit, jacked nice body? Well, many will make this their raison dâ etre. Met many an Incel who is cut / defined in excellent shapeâŚbut still has an ugly face. ”
YEP!As proved by the ””good” ”traditionally” raised women” in Ireland in ’67(before the evilz modern feminism onslaught of the 1970s and ’80s) on the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvGgYcpSi8U&t=2s
What is An Attractive Man? Ireland 1967
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It is not all about muscles. Women give their views on what they find attractive in a man.
Reporter Cathal OâShannon asks young women about the physical attributes that they find attractive in men.
According to those interviewed, both physical attributes and personality contribute to the attractiveness of a man.
“I donât like a man whoâs too preoccupied with his own masculinity.”
Musical talents also featured in the list of desirable characteristics.
“Iâm very attracted to men who are able to sing and play music.”
One woman says she like a well-proportioned man in terms of height and build.
“I find those muscular men rather revolting to look at.”
Another woman reinforces this view,
“…Apollo type specimens of humanity which I find rather disgusting looking.”
This episode of âNewsbeatâ was broadcast on 27 June 1967. The reporter is Cathal OâShannon.
See that video MOD?
This is before all the evils of modern feminism and dating apps had supposedly ”perverted”(manipulated), ”good” ”traditionally” raised women.
And yet those ”good” ”traditionally” raised women already wanted in 67(as well as in 1867 & 67 AD), classically tall and handsome MEN like they have always had on ”romance” novel covers since the ”bodice rippers” in the early/mid-1800s.
Like i said before here at Derek’s, women have always preferred tall, handsome MEN to short and ugly MEN, they just had to do(and say) what their family and local church and community wanted e.g., arranged marriages and say the ”right things” until all of it fell apart as more and more ”good”(virtue signallers) people wanted to distance themselves from ”hillbillies”(like on the Beverly Hillbillies tv show which CBS,ots network was ”embarrased” about even though it made them a ton of money between 1962 and 1965) who wanted to get women married off as a teenager, so they(”redpillers” and average tradcons alike), like some incels on that incel site i read at sometimes are shocked that women were saying ”tall MEN” in 1967-read throughout history and its always been true what main ”type” of MEN women wanted, but it had to be ”downplayed” by women, their fathers, church and government.to keep MEN believing all is well if they marry into the ”MMP”, even though ST. Paul said
”But if you do marry, you have not sinned [in doing so]; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned [in doing so]. Yet those [who marry] will have troubles (special challenges) in this life, and I am trying to spare you that.” -1 Corinthians 7:28-Amplified Bible (AMP) many MEN in the rising generations believe that even if they have never read it.
No, no, no! (lol)
Women only like men who are confident, have a life mission planned by the time they are 13 or whatever
(yeah, every man in the ‘sphere knew exactly what they were going to be doing at age 45…yeah, sure they did)
Women only like men who are (cough) “leaders”
(something of which we have WAY too many of today. Every guy in the ‘sphere is some amazing “leader” probably why nothing “works” today. More time spent being a “leader” and hardly enough left men actually DOING the work to keep paperwork, pouring the concrete, fixing the traffic lights, and keeping society and the nation moving and operating. These kinds of men, the ‘sphere hates and looks down on btw)
Women like men who have options (which means other women who want to have sex with you. The Red Pill and ‘sphere worships the sex act. Its the only reason to live and exist according to them, and if you dont have this. Its your own fault because women are not attracted by physical appearances. They just cannot help what they do, who they fall n live with and who they have sex with)
Most men are tired of this nonsense. You can’t call these “leaders” out because they have an Ego the size of God himself. The problems they do have they blame of “betas” and “weak men” and “women” and “society” and “the duluth model” and btw 99% of men walking arounf in the USA have no idea what that is. Everything is a study, and always goes back to ideology. Red Pill.
Worse or just as bad as Communists on how they steer conversations always back to the “struggle” or the race baiters, the feminsts and the outrageous racial laws / eugenics that the Nazi poured into every discipline, filed of study, job or career. Read a chemistry high school text book from the 1930’s. Chemistry isnt a science. Its linked to racial purity and CO2 evidently is something for white aryans only.
Stay away from these men. They dont like you.
They sadly DO have an agenda, and its about them. Not their fellow man.
”Most men in the âsphere just have a quick answer, put down or answer that perhaps makes them look smart. I was taught that the average IQ was 100 as a man for that silly test.
Most people who are average lord it off as if their score was 20 points higher, and they are not afraid to tell you how âintelligentâ they are.”
&
”Women only like men who are (cough) âleadersâ
(something of which we have WAY too many of today. Every guy in the âsphere is some amazing âleaderâ probably why nothing âworksâ today. More time spent being a âleaderâ and hardly enough left men actually DOING the work to keep paperwork, pouring the concrete, fixing the traffic lights, and keeping society and the nation moving and operating. These kinds of men, the âsphere hates and looks down on btw)
Women like men who have options (which means other women who want to have sex with you. The Red Pill and âsphere worships the sex act. Its the only reason to live and exist according to them, and if you dont have this. Its your own fault because women are not attracted by physical appearances. They just cannot help what they do, who they fall n live with and who they have sex with)
Most men are tired of this nonsense. You canât call these âleadersâ out because they have an Ego the size of God himself. The problems they do have they blame of âbetasâ and âweak menâ and âwomenâ and âsocietyâ and âthe duluth modelâ and btw 99% of men walking arounf in the USA have no idea what that is. Everything is a study, and always goes back to ideology. Red Pill.
Worse or just as bad as Communists on how they steer conversations always back to the âstruggleâ or the race baiters, the feminsts and the outrageous racial laws / eugenics that the Nazi poured into every discipline, filed of study, job or career. Read a chemistry high school text book from the 1930âs. Chemistry isnt a science. Its linked to racial purity and CO2 evidently is something for white aryans only.
Stay away from these men. They dont like you.
They sadly DO have an agenda, and its about them. Not their fellow man.”
MOD,
You know what the two following comments from my friend Kentucky Headhunter ,reminded me of the MEN in the church and the secular, and CHRISTian manosphere.
Kentucky Headhunter says:
14 August, 2025 at 3:31 pm
Both my boys have now encountered a phenomenon that I believe is of recent origin. It seems that women are now not only the gatekeepers of sex, but also the gatekeepers of male friendships.
Iâm calling it the Bro(ken) Code Syndrome.
Older boy had his best friend and ROOMMATE drop their friendship because his roomiesâ GF didnât like that my son wouldnât also bend to her every whim and let her make all the decisions for mutual activities. Theyâd been pals for the last two years at college, same major, same outside interests. Had spent Thanksgiving and Spring Break together. And yet his bro dropped him for a controlling, gassed-up mid (mid being generous) and basically froze him out even though they lived in the same dorm room.
Younger boy (H.S. senior) told me that the only reason he wants a GF is that you basically have to be dating a girl in an extended friend group to be able to hang with any of the guys in that group. Apparently one guy, Cole, recently got dropped by his GF and now he is âoutâ. Doesnât get to hang with any the guys when they get together for mixed-gender hangouts on the weekends.
Of course you also need to be 6â˛, have a car, and come from money to date any of these girls, but thatâs a given these days.
âBros before hoesâ is apparently an unknown code to this generation of males.
&
Kentucky Headhunter says:
14 August, 2025 at 4:57 pm
I forgot to mention that roomiesâ GF convinced my sonâs then GF to dump him and to be a real cunt about it.
However, I will say that my son had already âfuxxed upâ. His now ex-GF is from NYC and my son and his roomie were going there for 4 days during Spring Break. Apparently his GF thought he was just going to spend the whole time with her, wining and dining her every night and maybe being treated to a couple of shows while he was there.
He had other plans. He was there to see a couple of historical sights and neighborhoods and to practice a couple of his languages in famous ethnic parts of towns. Which he had a blast doing. He also loved riding the subway everywhere. He did ask if she wanted to come along during the days (she wasnât interested, preferring to sleep in) and he did have plans for a dinner night together, but no, he didnât plan to spend all his time and hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on her over the course of a couple days.
So, like I said, he fucked up.
The dumping happened about a 5-6 weeks before the end of the semester. He took it hard (his first real GF), but stayed focused and finished with another 4.0 year.
On the way to the airport, he texted her that he was sorry that things had turned out like that and that he still cared for her and wished her a happy Summer.
Her reply, âDonât talk me ever again.â
I personally hope she got a good case of skin cancer over the break.
Some big mouth ”genius masterminds”, Johnny-come-latelies in the current manosphere don’t seem to understand that WE who have read in the manosphere for way longer than they have know certain things:
1. MEN are like the first MAN, Adam, who placed the blame for his sin on Eve.
2. Bill F.Price/Welmer who started the Spearhead blog with guys like Novaseeker in 2009 years later in summer 2013 met and married by his own admission ”a proud feminist ”-he then started the process of shutting down his ”cooperative” the Spearhead(many of its readers had given him money for his children and to keep the blog up-which went down in January 2014-his new feminist wife on a news site(dailybeast i think-but they took down the article a long time ago) months before had already said”she didn’t like his blog”, that had over the past 4 years had guest posts by various guys, including Dalrock, Keoni Galt and even that Donovan guy Boxer partially liked.
3.Even ”game-aware” redpill MEN will throw their fellow redpill MEN under the bus,like a certain ”helpful” ”genius mastermind” tried to do to i a while back as he has been trying to cause rifts between i and the sphere (officially) since late December 2021(as he blames his lack of success on i like Jack blames i and Derek for his lack of success)
4.MEN in church or anywhere are the same and will throw their fellow MEN under the bus for women or ”success” or to cover up for their own failures, even though their usually a self-proclaimed ”genius” with very little ”success” as proof.
MOD,
Some incels thought on a certain ”blackpill” site,that this makes gen ”Alpha” look very ”soy” or the ”soyest” gen yet:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/aug/18/skibidi-delulu-and-tradwife-among-words-added-to-cambridge-dictionary
”âSkibidiâ, âdeluluâ and âtradwifeâ among words added to Cambridge Dictionary
Lexicographers give nod to TikTok generationâs enduring influence on English language with latest additions
âSkibidiâ, âtradwifeâ and âdeluluâ are among the new words to have made this yearâs Cambridge Dictionary in a selection that confirms the increasing influence of the TikTok generation on the English language.
For those hoping that such neologisms would be a passing internet craze, the compilers of the dictionary say they are here to stay.
âInternet culture is changing the English language and the effect is fascinating to observe and capture in the dictionary,â said its lexical programme manager, Colin McIntosh.
âItâs not every day you get to see words like âskibidiâ and âdeluluâ make their way into the Cambridge Dictionary. We only add words where we think theyâll have staying power.â
Older generations and those not on TikTok will have just to get used to words such as skibidi. Children often use it to add emphasis to statements. It became popular thanks to Skibidi Toilet â a viral animated video that began on YouTube featuring human heads protruding from lavatories.
The Cambridge Dictionary defines skibidi as âa word that can have different meanings such as âcoolâ or âbadâ, or can be used with no real meaning as a jokeâ, an example of its use is: âWhat the skibidi are you doing?ââ
People older than generation Alpha tend to greet the use of the word with despair . The US writer and artist Lee Escobedo wrote in the Guardian earlier this year: âSkibidi brainrot encapsulates a generation fluent in irony but starved for meaning. This kind of hyper-chaotic media serves as both entertainment and an ambient worldview for young men raised online. Their minds normalise prank-as-expression.â
The tradwife phenomenon, which dates to a least 2020, has also been widely criticised. It refers to socially conservative influencers who celebrate looking after their husbands, children and homes and post about it on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. The dictionary definition says a tradwife is âespecially one who posts on social mediaâ.
Delulu, an abbreviation of delusional, is less controversial, but has become associated with a post-truth world where personal beliefs are more important than reality. Its dictionary entry defines it as âbelieving things that are not real or true, usually because you choose toâ.
Delulu emerged more than 10 years ago as an insult directed at obsessive K-pop followers fans to question their belief that they would date their idols. The term âdelulu is the soluluâ for manifesting your wishes has been viewed billions of times on TikTok. The phrase âdelulu with no soluluâ was used earlier this year by Australiaâs prime minister, Anthony Albanese, to attack his opponents in parliament.
âBroligarchyâ, a term for the tech industry leaders on whose platforms many of these new words are spreading, also makes it into the dictionary.
Merging âbroâ and âoligarchyâ, the dictionary says it refers to âa small group of men, especially men owning or involved in a technology business, who are extremely rich and powerful, and who have or want political influenceâ.
Other new entries in the dictionary include âmouse jigglerâ, a post-pandemic device or piece of software used to make it seem as though you are working when you are not.
âWork spouseâ, meanwhile, is a phrase for workplace relationships where two people help and trust each other, according to the dictionary.”
What you’re NOT supposed to tell the Christian MEN in the sphere with egos the size of GOD is that Roissy=Heartiste got huge back between April ’07 & early 2010 because most who came to his site were looking to get dates=sex and thought ”game must be the answer!”
& your Dalrock’s & Vox Days back then thought ”maybe WE can save western civilization by preaching game!”
Similar to today’s Christian MEN ”genius leaders” in the sphere with egos the size of GOD who think they’re above criticism as they fail big-time with the younger MEN as they say ”marry my daughter puh-puh-please?& let me lord my Patriarchal Authoritah over you for the rest of your life son.” and that is coming from supposed ”Truth-seekers” who don’t seem to understand most younger MEN know the following Scripture from simple observation today:”
9 I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery[a].â
10 The disciples said to Jesus, âIf the relationship of a man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.â 11 But He said to them, âNot all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom [the capacity to receive] it has been given. ”
Yet today’s Christian MEN ”genius leaders” in the sphere with egos the size of GOD who think they’re above criticism as they fail big-time with the younger MEN can’t figure out any of that?