Note: This is part of a series on the Trinity from a rational, non-mystical perspective. See the index here.
One of the more interesting facets of the doctrine of the Trinity is just how many proof-texts are asserted to be evidence or proof of the Trinity. There are dozens or even hundreds of verses. That’s a massive body of evidence. Compare this to, say, the Patriarchal Passages on the roles of women in the church where there are less than a dozen proof-texts.
Collectively, these many verses on the Trinity form a sort of “corpus” of evidence.
But I’ve noticed something curious when reading the writings of apologists. They’ll make successive arguments in this form:
(1) Premise: scripture contains a corpus of evidence for the Trinity
(2) Argument: verse A confirms what has been seen in the corpus.
(3) Therefore, verse A confirms the Trinity
This will then repeated with each verse in the corpus: verse B, verse C, verse D, etc.
This is similar to Jesse Albrecht’s citation of John 15:13 or James Attebury’s mass citations.
The problem is that “verse A” is contained within the corpus of evidence for the Trinity. Thus, the premise (the corpus of evidence) contains the conclusion. Thus is the conclusion—verse A—contained in the premise. That’s circular reasoning.
One could envision the corpus of Trinitarian proof-texts as a giant interconnected net—rather than a simple circle—with each verse inductively supporting the other verses. Unless it is grounded in a foundation, this is just as meaningless as a circle. For just like a circle, it has no rational starting point.
In all my reading on the topic of the Trinity, I’ve never seen Trinitarians agree on what constitutes a scriptural foundation from out of which one can deductively (and sequentially) examine evidence. Invariably, one or more of the following will happen:
(1) The circularity will go undetected.
(2) Extra-biblical tradition will be cited.
(3) The doctrine of the Trinity will be called a mystery.
But none of these provide a scriptural foundation in the Word of God itself. None of them break the circle. And neither does the fourth option:
(4) One Trinitarian’s independent foundation will be another’s dependent variable.
Given this “agreement,” not only does the corpus of proof-texts build circularly, but so does the collection of individual authorities form a collective circular “mesh” without foundation, especially when they start citing each other.
The most commonly suggested “foundation” of the Trinity is the Prologue to John’s Gospel. This is presumed to be standalone proof of the Trinity, but it is very far from conclusive. If that is truly the foundation—and by the sheer frequency of citation it appears to be implicitly—then the doctrine of the Trinity has no foundation in the Word of God.
I encourage all the rational Christian apologists to take a good look at the doctrine of the Trinity and try to establish a logical deductive foundation from out of which to base the argument. Avoid using a circularly interconnected mesh of proof-texts that try to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
Find the verses—if any—that state the doctrine of the Trinity or the divinity of Christ explicitly and unambiguously, and build from there. If you can’t do that, then maybe it is time to be a little less dogmatic and a lot more humble on the point.
But let’s say you succeed. The next step is to make sure that your explanation is not novel. You’ll have to find two or three witnesses—ancient writers or modern apologists—who agree with you that your foundation is accurate and isn’t derived from some other foundation (stated or unstated). If you can’t find anyone who agrees with you, then maybe it is time to be a little less dogmatic and a lot more humble on the point.
Now let’s say you’ve confirmed and established your findings by the testimony of witnesses. What then? Well then you must subject your foundation to examination to see if it holds up. Post your findings here, and we’ll look over them. Until then, maybe it is time to be a little less dogmatic and a lot more humble on the point.
The Trinity is taught but that the hypostatic union was in Mary’s womb is not; scripture inplies it was at the baptism. Also in this sense it could be binity instead of trinity. The distinction between Word and Holy Spirit may be Christ in heaven vs on earth rather than a 3rd person.
In other words the Holy Spirit entering Jesus in the form of a dove was a tentative hypostatic union whereby the Word entered him and merged with him temporarily; that merger is made permenent by his obedience to the death of the cross (as in the exaltation passage in Paul), and then a distinction between the Word as Jesus in heaven and the Holy Spirit as Jesus dwelling in believers on earth is established.
Something like that maybe.
So not the catholic trinity. But the Trinity can be harmonized with adoptionism and unitarianism if we can have the discussion. Instead of the unitarian “Jesus was just more indwelled by the Spirit than others bro” acknowledge it was a hypostatic union but not permanentized until the ascension. The catholics and eastern “orthodox” and strangely the calvinists will oppose this simply because they want to keep their Mary worship “mother of God” nonsense, and if the hypostatic union took place at the baptism rather than in the womb then she clearly is no such thing; that is the only reason anyone would oppose what I just outlined.
Jerry,
But the Trinity can be harmonized with adoptionism and unitarianism…
I’m not sure this is realistic. There are some seemingly significant mutually exclusive incompatibilities. At the very least, you’d have to abandon the incarnation for Jesus becoming divine at some point (i.e. theosis; created vs uncreated).
If everyone could agree to disagree (that is my position), then sure. But that’s…unlikely to happen:
…if we can have the discussion
From what I’ve seen, if someone even brings up this topic with a traditionalist, anyone doing this gets branded a heretic and all conversation instantly ends. The fact that I’m writing about it at all—even in a somewhat detached way—is likely to put me on meatspace black lists if anyone takes the time to read what I’ve written.
The catholics and eastern “orthodox” and strangely the calvinists will oppose this simply because they want to keep their Mary worship “mother of God”
Well, that’s a massive percentage of the population that identifies as Christian. It’s hard to harmonize when doing so would eliminate a majority from Christian belief.
…that is the only reason anyone would oppose what I just outlined.
If you’ve read my series, you know that reason has little to do with it.
Peace,
DR