On Voting Day, it is fitting that Feeriker put together a collection of links about not voting in “Some Of Us Are Staying Home, And Here’s Why.”
Regarding the critics…
Lame excuses! Whatever you think is better to do than voting, you can do that and vote also. Abdication of your vote just means that the evil gets more say, and you choose to have zero say.
Did God put you here on this earth to abstain from the clash between good and evil? Maybe, in your case, He created you to fall to Satan’s demoralization? But not in the case of us men whom God can count on to not get demoralized and to have our say, always calling for what we think is the lesser evil, rather than the greater one. Otherwise, by letting the greater evil win without a fight you have shown your moral worth at this moment of such simple testing. You’re embarrassing yourself eternally by advocating the moral foolishness you’ve posted above. You’re asked to make your preferences know, and you’d rather risk more of the next generation being aborted or castrated than to lift a finger.
You choose to be an undependable servant of God, just because you worry over the evil side cheating. But, by getting you to abdicate your moral duty to exercise what little dominion you have been afforded by our government, Satan wins regardless of what happens. Like in the parable of the talents, Satan got you to bury the opportunity the Lord had lent you, so that even that might soon be taken from you. Some blue haired tattooed Feminist harpy is going to vote for Marxism unopposed, because you got fooled into being too demoralized to vote opposing her. And our progeny will ultimately suffer from our foolishness, or flourish by our wisdom.
…I’ve written about this in the past:
“Fighting Evil or Doing Good?”
“Review: Do we “Resist the devil” or “Resist not evil”?“
The only way Christians resist evil is by evangelizing (or, making disciples) and doing good. Voting doesn’t do that. The Parable of the Sower, like the Parable of the Talents, is about a harvest of souls.
On this voting day, repent and make Jesus your Lord. The angels are accurately and precisely counting each and every one of those votes, and cheering for each one.
Some of my problems with voting include:
(1) If God is bringing judgment on America, and I believe that he is, then they will vote in—or fraudulently appoint—whoever God wants to win. Whichever candidate it is—or even a protest civil war—that is where God’s judgment lies. I can no more change the path of God’s judgment by voting than anyone else can. Only once the hearts of man change can judgment be avoided.
(2) If Satan ran a convention of pastors, and Sharkly was asked to speak, what would he do if half of the pastors at the conference were women? Would he refuse to participate or would he preach a sermon against women pastors, undermined by the fact that he was supporting and legitimizing the very institution—the conference of Satan—that promoted them? Which resists more: opposing Satan directly and absolutely, or opposing him only after agreeing to his terms?
(3) Every candidate promotes evil. “Vote for the least bad candidate” is moral utilitarianism, which is not Christian. For example, would Sharkly vote for a Democrat who supports abortion if his opponent was a Republican woman taking authority from men? One Christian might decide that abortion is worse than woman-rule while another takes the opposite stance. Sharkly’s “vote to resist evil” stance implies that there exists a clear and unambiguous right and a clear wrong choice. This is obviously not the case.
I never cease to be amazed at the level of near psychosis that the issue of voting brings out in so many of the American people. American Evangelical Christians, in particular, seem to devote emotional and spiritual energy to temporal politics that they seldom, if ever, devote to evangelizing the Gospel of Jesus. That, to me, reveal a great deal about where their real priorities lie.
I struggle to picture First Century Christians obsessing over who would replace Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, or Nero as Caesar. The idea is pure absurdity, given what Christians were focused on.
Well said. As you say:
“If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let you do it”
Mark Twain 1873
What of Jesus? He never demanded an audience with Caesar and said “let my people be free”
He never called for an armed rebellion, and he KNEW human follow would do this…..thus the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD by the Romans. He even mentioned the temple being destroyed.
Jesus didnt concern himself with the politics of the day. He knew “teachers of the law” were evil / wicked in their hearts and lost of God, or misguided. Never once called for a “rebellion” and in fact, the political class wanted a “leader” or “king” who was going to to just that.
Paul asked for appeal with Caesar (as every Roman citizen could indeed ask) for his case. Paul did not “meet” with Caesar. He met more than likely with his counsul / representatives for his case. As we knew, his case was denied and of course was put to death. If Paul met with Caesar it would have been recorded. The Romans kept excellent records on these matters….but somehow “forgot” about Paul (rolls eyes)
You have a choice as a US citizen to vote or not to….and in many places now, you dont even have to be a citizen.
I, at one time held the notion of “no vote? no gripe!” but now, and for awhile………I realized that voting does little or nothing. Here in California, we passed a ballot measure for car insurance, we were overbilled and had been. Well, it passed. It was taken to court and thrown out. As with most ballot measures out here…..unless it is a measure that outwardly IS against the Constitution and then somehow it stands.
Voting doesnt really change a thing at this point (if it ever did).
And look at the options……..these two clowns are the best the USA could put up and out to the voter.
But Trump once invoked a book in the Bible “Two Cornthians” lol….so he must be the right choice (rolls eyes)
As I routinely point out on Twitter, in 2020 the governor of Pennsylvania mandated a host of illegal mandates, including stay at home mandates and business closures and restrictions. Some of these were challenged in the state supreme court and struck down, but only after they had been withdrawn (at the end of spring 2020) and the damage was already done.
Other illegal mandates, such as the mask mandates, continued. So on May, 18, 2021 the people of Pennsylvania amended their constitution to restrict the governor’s emergency powers. Even when the legislature used its powers to end the governor’s mandates, the illegal mask mandate continued until the end of June. It would eventually get struck down by the PA supreme court in December, 2021, far after it was too late to undo the damage.
In the face of such wanton tyranny, voting is pointless.
It was always suitably ironic that Trump was (unintentially) correct. “Two Corinthians” is not the second letter to the Corinthians. It is at least his third letter. We do not have the missing letter.
Also…..”spending bills” are not in the Constitution. The Congress submits and approves a budget. There is wrangling. It may not get approved. Back again. Then when approved, sent to the Senate. They approve or send it back to the Congress. Then it is sent to the President. He can Veto. And it can be overridden by 2/3rds majority. If not over-ridden…back downstairs it goes.
This is civics 101.
Its hard work. Something NO ONE does anymore in the Congress and Senate. Sure, Sen Cotton “talks tough” and asks questions. And Chuk Schmer maybe “powerful” in his decisions….but ALL of them are guilty of not following “the constitution” and they keep kicking the can downward, inventing “rules” and mudslinging each other.
The second the Republicans didnt win in 1996…..all the investigations went full throttle on then president Clinton.
They dont do their jobs. The Constitution being “invoked” by both sides is only when it is convenient to do so. They all look down on us and hate us if truth be told.
Thanks for allowing to post something that is not in the same vein as the rest of you. Here is what I wrote at SS,
“Saw the NY flip/peanut post above. Hope you are right, but I feel a closer version of 2022 coming. Red wedding was a bloodbath. I like Steve Deace, but he said a recent poll about Harris plus 3 in Iowa is crazy. No, what’s crazy is the left and the lack of interaction we have directly with those crazies. I live and work with them. Life has me better prepared to understand the evil then my church has prepared me. That’s partly why I see the 2020 and 2022 trend continued.
With all this hopium being broadcast by red media, what I don’t see on the ground is any lesser intensity of the evil left. I sure don’t see any increase of boldness for Trump. I mean in real life. Great, someone can post a few videos of MAGA blacks. Excellent for clicks, not for understanding reality.
This is a judgment of our churches. We didn’t change them for better from the inside, so now they’ll be extinguished via persecution.
We (Christians) failed.”
I don’t agree that the best witness is one that says,
“evil, eh, it’s going to happen anyhow, my kingdom isn’t of here, and if I ignore all that is afflicting the rest of you, but am winsome enough to help you be a Christian, then once everyone is a Christian, I’ll vote.”
That’s my pastor’s take. On the one hand, he always says don’t be so heavenly minded that you are of no earthly use, but then he says politics is a distraction to focusing on God. Great.
“Hey, Elon, you are voting Trump because you don’t like your boy being tranzed? Don’t worry about it, just get on the winning eternal side and use your time to go to church and small group instead.”
That sounds like a college friend who used to tell me communism will work once we are all doing it.
More plainly, I wish you would vote, and you would vote for Trump.
Of course. That goes without saying.
From one of the links at feeriker’s post:
“In truth, in the case of individuals, their actual voting is not to be taken as proof of consent, even for the time being. On the contrary, it is to be considered that, without his consent having ever been asked, a man finds himself environed by a government that he cannot resist; a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights, under peril of weighty punishments. He sees, too, that other men practise this tyranny over him by the use of the ballot. He sees further that, if he will but use the ballot himself, he has some chance of relieving himself from this tyranny of others, by subjecting them to his own. In short, he finds himself, without his consent, so situated that, if he use the ballot, he may become a master; if he does not use it, he must become a slave. And he has no other alternative than these two. In self-defence, he attempts the former. His case is analogous to that of a man who has been forced into battle, where he must either kill others, or be killed himself. Because, to save his own life in battle, a man attempts to take the lives of his opponents, it is not to be inferred that the battle is one of his own choosing. Neither in contests with the ballot — which is a mere substitute for a bullet — because, as his only chance of self-preservation, a man uses a ballot, is it to be inferred that the contest is one into which he voluntarily entered; that he voluntarily set up all his own natural rights, as a stake against those of others, to be lost or won by the mere power of numbers. On the contrary, it is to be considered that, in an exigency, into which he had been forced by others, and in which no other means of self-defence offered, he, as a matter of necessity, used the only one that was left to him.”
Are you the master or are you the slave? Or are you something else entirely?
“Hey, Elon, you are voting Trump because you don’t like your boy being tranzed? Don’t worry about it, just get on the winning eternal side and use your time to go to church and small group instead.”
That sounds like a college friend who used to tell me communism will work once we are all doing it.
More plainly, I wish you would vote, and you would vote for Trump.
Hey, SurfDumb you did raise hell with the Limbaughs, Hannitys, and Levins who reluctantly or NOT at all backed Trump in 2016?
Of course, you didn’t as you didn’t see enough others doing it too.
Yet i bet you still despise Doc Mike Savage (who in this following video admits to supporting Trump (officially)with interviews with him since 2011-if it wasn’t for Michael Savage yelling and ”sounding insane” as your old idol Limbaugh said in ’06 over the border 27+ years ago your idols Trump,Hannity, O’Reilly, nor Sparkly(yeah i saw your non-participation(only in your head and here that you complain about it if certainly do it but never your idols doing it even to Derek at this very site ) in ”attacking others personally”(that you don’t like supposedly and will complain about)) at Spawnys last week that scared Sparkly away from there for a few days after FB, Spawny nor Cill approved of it like after Sparklys ”union soldiers raping southern women” comment that got deleted quickly by Spawny/Cheque’d out with this comment :
”fux this $#it isn’t funny” comment from Spawny/Cheque’d out -himself there in May 2021) would be yelling about illegals or borders or culture now.
Like nobody would ever mention icky to them & NOT COOL with the kids like Game was”Patriarchy’ without GBFM first doing it in the ROISSY/Man( name changed for all the lefty blankslatists coming into the ROISSYosphere in troll hordes wanting to be seen as ”cool & hip” like ROISSY & GBFM)osphere early 2010(years before the ”Patriarchists” had seen the failure of ”MENZ UP MEN & LEARN GAME TO TAME DEM HOES INTO SUBMISSION” )instead tell Sparkly, Brian Forbes AKA Jack Wayne and BGR=LARRYSOLOMON=MATTPERKINS to stop taking/stealing GBFMS valor without crediting GBFM at least as the first promoting Patriarchy and NOT ””MENZ UP MEN & LEARN GAME TO TAME DEM HOES INTO SUBMISSION” like ”ST.” Deti still foolishly says sometimes after saying in Summer ’23 at Spawnys ”game failed”&”the MANosphere failed” that Sparkly said was trollish on the Saints part but of course you forget that as it doesn’t fit your narrative or ”worldview”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvxhjtqoGkM
Yet you still support the enemy within(the name of one of MIKE SAVAGE’S early BOOKS -coincidence huh with Trump?) the country like O’Reilly,Hannity and Levin who couldn’t support Trump in ’16 yet you scold Derek?
It’s not clear to me when the burden of proof fell upon me to prove that voting isn’t inherently faulty. The fact that I can be scolded by anyone at all, should make it clear enough that voting is coerced and not the act of a free man.
This reminds me of when Sharkly scolded me for not being man enough in my own house, as if he knows better than me how I should run my own family. Surfdumb’s so-called “scolding”—barely qualifying as such—is the same thing.
Am I sovereign in my own domain or not?
The assumption that Trump is inherently owed my vote just because I don’t like Harris denies me agency. The idea is insulting and disrespectful.
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Back when I did vote, I was registered independent. I don’t think I ever voted for a Republican for president, or voted a straight ticket.
I don’t think the Republicans are the least of evils. I’m a “centrist” who sees how evil Republicans are, how much harm they do, have done, and will do. My least favorite President was George W. Bush, a war-loving man who helped pass some of the worst legislation in U.S. history. And he did it all as the “Christian” candidate, doing incalculable damage to the cause of Christ. Should we talk about No-Fault Divorce Reagan?
Surfdumb can wish all he wants that I’d vote for Trump, but even if I had voted in this election, my vote would have gone elsewhere, probably to Harris (and I live in a swing state!). After all, the first time Trump ran, I told my family to vote for Clinton so that the subsequent moral decline couldn’t be blamed on Christians and to further clarify the moral issues in an unambiguous fashion as being sin. 2020 would unambiguously clarify the moral issues, but it only served to further implicate Christians and accelerate Christianity’s decline. I was right.
I mostly keep this sort of stuff to myself. The only reason I mention it here is to expose the simplistic false dichotomy for what it is. I’m more concerned with the condition of man’s hearts and souls.
And yes. W Bush is a war criminal. Him and Tony Blair from the UK are two of the primary reasons why we are where we are at right now concerning many pressing issues in the world / globally.
When the Democrats “took back the House” and Pelosi stands at the podium and immediately says “Impeachment is off the table” (concerning W Bush). I knew right then, they were complicit in all that had happened. I began to ask myself “does voting really matter”
It really doesnt. The best you can do is cling to your faith, your Bible, family, guns, and the people you care about in your local community.
These political leaders dont care one iota about you.
No, they don’t.
My least favorite President was George W. Bush, a war-loving man who helped pass some of the worst legislation in U.S. history. And he did it all as the “Christian” candidate, doing incalculable damage to the cause of Christ.
Did he ever especially with the”Christians and Muslims worship the same God.”
A Christian can say that?
Not so after JESUS said this:
I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture.-
Berean Standard Bible-John 10:9
also, these links ( that SD will refuse to see or hear)explain more about W. saying that stuff:
https://www.quora.com/Why-didnt-the-media-see-through-George-W-Bush-s-fake-persona-of-an-evangelical-Christian
Why didn’t the media see through George W. Bush’s fake persona of an evangelical Christian?
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Why didn’t the media see through George W. Bush’s fake persona of an evangelical Christian?
Short version:
They didn’t want to.
Long version:
Bush41 was an incredible second bite at the apple. Clinton did more for supply side voodoo Reaganomics than any Republican, and now corporations had a moron at the helm. Why mess with that?
And there is is, the truth about how the stupidest candidate of the last hundred years became the most measurably failed president in US history.
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They did.
Right here in a 2004 interview, George W. Bush outright denied Jesus as the ONLY WAY to Heaven and has said on numerous occasions that Christians and other religions worship the same god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndH1cMS_oCk
& before that:
https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/christians-muslims-worship-same-god-bush-tells-reporters/
LONDON (BP)–In an answer likely to upset evangelicals and other members of his Christian base, President Bush said Nov. 20 that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
Speaking at a joint news conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Bush was asked his thoughts on how the war on terrorism and his promotion of freedom intersects with his Christian faith.
“I do say that freedom is the Almighty’s gift to every person,” Bush answered. “I also condition it by saying freedom is not America’s gift to the world. It’s much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship the same God.”
The answer was in response to a question specifically asking him how he reacts to those who say the god of Islam is not the God of Christianity.
“Mr. President, when you talk about peace in the Middle East, you’ve often said that freedom is granted by the Almighty,” the reporter asked. “Some people who share your beliefs don’t believe that Muslims worship the same Almighty. I wonder about your views on that and Mr. Prime Minister’s, as a man also of faith, I’d like to get your reaction to that.”
Blair avoided the Christianity-Islam question and instead gave a general answer about freedom.
“I believe that if people are given the chance to have freedom, whatever part of the world they’re in, whatever religion they practice, whatever faith they have, if they’re given the chance to have freedom, they welcome it,” Blair said.
Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Commission, said that while he respects Bush he believes the president is wrong.
Where are the” rp leaders” at calling W. a troll who twicked them along with their political radio idol Limbaugh between 2000 & ’08?
I was young and stupid when I was actually happy that GWB won the election in 2000, but I quickly became jaded when I saw what he actually did while in office. What a fool I was.
Since then, I’ve only been fooled once more: Chris Christie.
I intend never to be fooled again. Twice is enough.
ANd….he said “Islam is a religion of peace”
That wasnt Obama, or Kerry.
He also called “Pakistan our most loyal friend in Asia”
(screw you Japan 🙂 )
And. Near the end of his presidency…while I toiled and hustled looking for work, side gigs, under the table. Barely paying rent, barely keeping my clothing clean and my haircut….I was listening to talk radio (Glen Beck? Hannity? El Rushbo?)
W Bush was in Mexico, and he worked for a few minutes at some vegetable packaging warehouse. He called packing lettuce into a box “the highlight of his presidency”
I remember smoking my last cigarette to payday (four days off) while he said that. I remember looking around my tiny, tidy….but cramped studio in a bad area of Fresno. I was thinking “Wow……geee…most powerful man in the world. All the lives lost on 9/11. All the destruction to Iraq and other peoples. The blunders. All of that….and packing lettuce into a box is the “highlight” of your presidency. Wow. Proud of you.”
And the radio host (El Rushbo, Hannity, or Beck???) called his statement genius and humble and brilliant.
These men were just as brainwashed to a party as they claim the other side to be. Lost a lot of faith in the system that day if truth be told.
“The fact that I can be scolded by anyone at all, should make it clear enough that voting is coerced and not the act of a free man.”
Again, I’m amazed at how routinely this simple and very obvious point escapes the Congregation of the Holy Polling Place. Evangelizing the vote with the zeal of an Inquisitor or a Jihadist, while certainly demonstrating one’s own dedication to the faith, hardly makes it appealing to others not converted. To evangelize voting in such a manner while associating it with “freedom” (a word that, along with “abuse,” is one of the most misused in the English language) does little buy to diminish the appeal of freedom (maybe that’s the intent).
And yet, Surfdumb doesn’t seem to understand this point. Am I explaining it wrong? Is it too complicated? What seems obvious and simple to us is apparently not so obvious and simple to others.
I voted for him in 2016.
The swamp was not drained. Spending went up. Mexico didnt pay for the wall. Apple did not start manufacturing their phones in the USA. The Constitution was not followed (spending bills are not constitutional). His cabinet selection was terrible (many turned on him, threw him under the bus). Immigration was down, but still happening……ICE ordered not to report (voila! immigration is down!). His spending (not the sole factor, or solely by him) during Covid did…in part….increase inflation into 2021. Social Security not “fixed” (no surprise there).
Spent more time gladhandling about how amazing he was…and even claimed he was the “greatest president ever” and wasted more time calling opposing politicians “funny” names.
What a great leader.
Yes, the other side is worse……but at this rate, I as a US Citizen am “tired” of voting “the lesser of two evils”
None of the above for me this time. The first time I have not voted since I started in 1988.
Right? Have we all forgotten that he was already President once? He had his chance and he failed. If you have to be fooled, it’s best to be fooled just the once.
Is it? Trump was President during the single worst abrogation of freedom and justice in my lifetime and the largest expansion of tyranny in U.S. history, and it’s not even close. By that measure, he’s the worst president I’ve ever seen, by a massively large margin. The biggest criticism of Biden is that he was old and ineffective and didn’t actually do anything (i.e. he was a puppet).
This is the first election since my first eligibility in which I am not on the voter rolls.
Peter Hitchens from the popular British TV program “Question Time” watch the first five minutes. Key
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-VP44t4-no&t=238s
Hitchens noted how government ignores the cost in lives that its policies will have. It couches its disregard for lives under moralistic posturing like “fighting tyranny.”
Like with Syria, when the Russia-Ukraine conflict started, the only obvious solution was for Ukraine to negotiate (or even surrender) as the weaker party in order to save lives. A Pyrrhic victory is no victory, but that was the alternative chosen. The choice they made merely threw lives and money away, while dooming the country:
Ukraine has already died, it’s just waiting on the political machine (and time) for it to unfold.
Over the next three decades, it will likely lose at least a quarter to a third of its population. And after that, it will continue to drop. It is estimated that by the end of the century, the population will be almost a third of what it is now. Ukraine, like Japan, is done.
Russia will suffer too, but not nearly as badly.
What a waste.
For comparison, here is the United States, which while not even close to healthy is going to be much better off than Russia or Ukraine:
Agreed. Now, our Red Pill friends will argue “well, we abort a gazillion babies a year and if we just elect (insert Republican politicians name here) it will stop and Americans will become christian and go to church”
In college, we had many Japnaese students. This was the late 1980’s. I recall Hiroshi once saying
“Japan expects me to work really, really hard. Save my money, get married, father children and then save really really hard…the average age of first time home ownership in Japan is now for a man well over forty! My parents could afford one when they were barely out of school, and my mother didnt have to work! And, I am one of three children! A young couple today can barely afford one child! The cost for this is way too high. Japanese who were born in the 1970’s have no way of ever affording a home unless it is deeded to them. The older generations in Japan got what they wanted, put a fence around it and then tell us ‘we are lazy and dont want to work’ and Japanese women have no interest in any Japanese man who isnt wealthy, or handsome and the normal ones all want white guys from America, England or Australia. All the older generations can say is you are not working hard enough to its men, and they let the women off the hook.”
This was 1989. Prophetic.
Well, that went about as well as expected. One quick point, I must have written poorly because “scolding” wasn’t on my mind. GBFM used the word, but Derek, you seemed to agree.
I don’t think scolding another man is very effective.
Yes, I voted for Trump in 2016. Can’t stand Hannity or OReilly, but that’s neither here nor there.
Yes, I often follow a crowd, and am rarely standing out front alone. I definitely don’t have a prophetic gift of future predictions or dream interpretation. However, I’m too dim to see what your point is. My thinking about this election should be ignored now because something in 2016.
I can handle Jason’s reason. A country too far gone, like Venezuela or China, isn’t worth voting in, and you see us in that dire of straits.
I think you were implicitly scolding me as a consequence of your argument, not that you were doing so by intention. Or, to put it differently, your ideas are scolding. It’s not personal (and is not an ad hominem).
Your argument really isn’t your argument at all. The idea that voting is some sort of civic duty is held by massive numbers of people. It is the de facto standard belief. So, it is not you that is scolding me per se, it is the general society that produced that argument. It is the crowd.
The problem is that it denies me agency in the name of freedom. It is self-refuting.
As in the example of the soldier, he has a binary choice: kill or be killed. Any other alternative, such as deserting, would likely be met with death. Thus, he is coerced.
Voting is the same, except the coercion is socially-based in shame and guilt, rather than physically-based in life-or-death. And so, unlike the soldier, with voting, desertion is a valid choice, albeit equally vilified.
In making your argument, you are taking on the role of the enforcer. You are doing your civic duty to shame me for my position. Yeah, you’re not literally killing me for it (as with a deserting soldier) and you are being extremely polite and nice about it, but it’s a scolding nonetheless. It is collective scolding: a million voices quietly and persistently applying a smidgen of guilt and shame that combines into condemnation.
This is the way bureaucracies work. No one takes responsibility for their role. It’s how covid mandates could happen without anyone deciding to making any mandates: the CDC just made recommendations, the State just did what the CDC told them to do, and the local officials just followed the State guidelines. Somehow nobody is to blame.
Except you are taking part on the collective scolding ritual. You’re being polite and nice about it, and you don’t even know the role you are playing!
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Is there a better way to explain it? Let’s try this…
Most people focus on first-order effects. They can only see how an action has an immediate reaction. They either can’t or won’t see the second- and third-order effects. These are the “unforseen” consequences that take place in a lengthier chain of causality.
Taking part in voting, even for the good guys, has major negative second- and third-order effects. It results in net harm.
Treating voting as a civic duty is simplistic thinking which only considers the binary first-order effects while denying the relevancy of the second- and third-order effects. But the latter are far, far more important.
Surfdumb,
Being polite and nice doesn’t make your actions good. It’s very nearly meaningless as a measure of right and wrong.
Kermit Gosling was an extremely nice person, but he committed some of the worst atrocities known to man. He’s completely unrepentant.
Bureaucratic evil relies on individuals doing their part for the collective. Whether it is the calm social pressure of mask wearing, the pressure to use preferred pronouns, the pressure not to complain about men playing in women’s sports, or the pressure to vote, the participants rarely see themselves as doing anything wrong.
They are your family members. They are your loved ones.
Kermit Gosling had loved ones and family members.
The point is, I like how you are nice and polite and meas well, but the idea that I should (rather than might if I wanted to) vote is fundamentally evil.
How can talking about an idea be evil? Because you are not merely presenting an idea for debate or discussion, but suggesting that I should embrace it. That’s an ad hominem.
On this forum, we generally want men and women to be exposed to ideas and then make up their own minds. We sometimes tell people what they should do, but this opens us up to fair-game criticism.
Go ahead and explain why voting is great and why not voting is bad, even morally wrong, but don’t try to proselytize if you don’t want criticism in response. The moment you suggest that someone is worse than you are, you’ve opened yourself to critique. You can’t shy away from that, because you implicitly asked for it. Next time, leave your critique neutral if you want to exceed your expectations.
Peace,
DR
FWIW, the betting markets currently have Trump winning with a 60%+ probability. If previous elections are any indication, we won’t know for a few days or weeks.
Regardless, it seems rather obvious that God has divinely protected Trump from all manner of attacks—legal, physical, verbal, etc.—that would normally have taken down another man. Does this mean he wins? No. Does that mean he deserves to win? No. Is Trump the means of our salvation or our doom? I have not the foggiest idea.
All I know is that God is in control and it’s rather hilarious to think that I could alter his will by voting. His will, whether for blessing or curse, will be done.
FWIW, the betting markets currently have Trump winning with a 60%+ probability. If previous elections are any indication, we won’t know for a few days or weeks.
Incredible, isn’t it, that just half a century ago, with (relatively) primitive technology in play, the results of the election were known by midnight. Nowadays, with state-of-the-art technology, they need days or weeks to wrap the process up. Either the technology is worthless, the people using it are stupider than their predecessors of 50 years ago, or the corruption has gotten a whole lot more complex and out of control. I’d wager on some combination of all three of those things.
and packing lettuce into a box is the “highlight” of [his] presidency.
Hey, go easy on the guy. I’m sure it was no small feat to 1) teach him what lettuce is, 2) teach him what a box is and what it’s used for, 3) show him how to use his hands for something other than nose picking or masturbation, and 4) show him how to put one object into another. It probably WAS one of his highlights, not only of his presidency, but of his entire life. It was probably the first time he actually ever did anything useful and productive. There’s a simultaneous first and last time in everyone’s life for doing something. In Dubya’s case, he should be grateful that it didn’t cause a cerebral hemorrhage.
Yeah…..Hannity, and Co defending him to the hilt all those years on everything. A horrible president and even on that statement.
I woke up this morning feeling revitalized.
Hadn’t realized the impact on my health until I woke up feeling better this morning.
If bureaucracy is the inherent problem in this system I can’t think of anyone more capable of trying to cut it than Elon Musk.
Saw this and thought I’d share.
“Let that sink in”….same thing he said when he took over twitter.
We might have our Tribonian.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1854034776815972649
Would not have happened if everyone stayed home instead of voting.
Yes, God’s will be done.
That will is sometimes exercised via the actions of people.
I am hopeful, and grateful. We’ll see what the future holds. At least we have some talented and capable people going into positions in government who aren’t completely owned by the pharmaceutical companies and Lockheed.
Grace and Peace,
Liz out
The best hope of Trump is what he was elected to be, to borrow a phrase from Michael Moore: a hand grenade. He’s there to blow things up. He didn’t do that during his first term. Here’s to hoping he does so on his second.
Sometimes it is, yes. We’ll see.
Looking with hindsight 20/20 (often things that aren’t clear going forward are clear looking back), it is a blessing Trump didn’t win last time. It took 4 long years of madness to get us here. The first term Congress stopped him at every turn . TPTB made sure to take away the knowledgable players when he stepped into office (Flynn for example) so he would be a rudderless little boat.
This time is different. He is much wiser, and he has been picking out a good team of people outside of the hellscape that is Washington.
True, we will see.
At least in 4 years we aren’t likely to have expanded the USSC. There is a long tough road ahead though.
Take care.
Things are always a bit more complicated than we expect.
I’m very skeptical, but it does seem to be the case. He has had time to learn from his mistakes. Did he actually learn from his mistakes? Maybe.
But as you note, Washington is still a hellscape. Even if congress goes full Republican, it is still made up of the establishment. “Good” Trump could easily make enemies of his own party and get blocked by his own party. For that reason, I’m not expecting miracles.
What I want to see, more than anything else, is a massive reformation of the regulatory bureaucracy. I want to see the offices of the executive branch purged, like Elon did at Twitter, but in the Federal government.
But he didnt make any mistakes we are told! In fact he is “the greatest president ever” (sarcasm)
So it was like the ”year of the woman” from ’92 again i.e. ”It’s THE ECONOMY STUPID” with Trump winning and many saying ”if only Kamala had turned on Biden then maybe just maybe she would have won”:
Also more on scolds, Doug Wilson(&Dalrock) that i was latently thinking about yesterday from princeasbel:
https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/letters-dalrock-tolkien-privilege.html
princeasbel
6 years ago
Wilson is not “putting women in charge” of any sphere that Scripture doesn’t charge them with.
Except that’s exactly what you did, Wilson. If your defender that you quoted were doing what they scolded Dalrock for not doing (I.E. giving a fair treatment), then he/she would be aware that Dalrock quoted you as saying the following in She’s the boss, you’re a guest. (a post linked to in the article in which your defender posted his/her comment that she then forwarded to you, and which you have quoted in this article above):
A wife has authority over her husband’s sex life (1 Cor. 7:4). She has authority over his food (Prov. 31:14). She is responsible for his clothing (Prov. 31:21). (She is supposed to stay out of his fishing gear though.) Is the husband the head of his wife the way Christ is the head of the Church? Absolutely. Is he the boss man? Not even close.
This paragraph is a perfect example of the action of putting women in charge over something Scripture doesn’t charge them with.
For example, I Cor. 7:4 says: For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
The authority of I Cor. 7 is one which declares that neither spouse has the authority to refuse to have sex with the other. That’s it. It does not say, “wives have authority over their husbands’ sex lives”. Make an end of speaking when God does.
As to Proverbs 31:14 having authority over his food?? Let’s quote that one too.
Prov. 31:14: She is like the ships of the merchant;
she brings her food from afar.
What on earth does that have to do with authority?? It doesn’t. But you said it did.
You then cite Proverbs 31:21, except here, you said she is responsible for his clothing, as opposed to saying she has authority over his clothing. I don’t think we need to quote that verse since we agree that’s what it teaches. Nevertheless, you threw that in there along with the others to rhetorical ask about the husband:
Is he the boss man? Not even close.
So in the end, it’s still a mis-use of the verse. Indeed, your conclusion is a misuse of every verse cited in that paragraph. For your defender to claim that you are not, ““putting women in charge” of any sphere that Scripture doesn’t charge them with.” is not only laughably untrue, but it’s clearly unfair to Dalrock to ignore what he quoted from your own writings.
I could go on further and critique your defender’s letter, but I’ll end it here.
[NOTE: this comment was pulled out of the spam folder. Sorry for being late.]
Well, she probably would have had a better chance if she did distance herself from ol Joe. ‘
In 1968, Humphrey didnt start climbing in the polls UNTIL he threw LBJ aside. Probably a little too late. He still lost, but the gap would have perhaps closed faster and he could have cinched a victory over Nixon.
For me….there were two big things
*When Harris appeared on The View and said she would have done nothing differently over the past four years.
even the crowd didnt applaud at that. you could see the tension from the panel as well
*Joe Rogan. I subscribe to his podcast. I listen frequently. She was offered. Joe Rogan mind you….was for Bernie in 2016. She made excuses that she couldnt come on……listed demands, listed time frames and what Joe could or could not talk about. Trump, and I did listen…..still a blowhard……..DID come on and just talk. Harris’s team “how do we message men? How do we get them to listen to us?” Well, they had a golden opportunity with Joe Rogan. 80% of his subscribers are men. That was a missed opportunity. Would have it changed minds? I dont know but anything can help right?
The last thing………
Bush I in 1992 once the momentum was falling and it “looked” like Clinton was going to win. Bush refused to go on MTV (the Internet / alternative media / Joe Rogan podcast of its day). He began getting desperate calling Clinton a “communist / socialist” stuff. Harris was in the the same situation here at the end. Instead of ripping up the script, and trying to make an honest appeal……….doubled down. Never works in these situations.
I watched the Bush election. He did go on MTV, interviewed with Tabitha Soren.
He would have been right refuse she was unbelievably dismissive and condescending.
It was far from “desperate” to call Clinton a commie.
He went to the USSR during the Vietnam war after dodging the draft and writing a letter to the ROTC commander (which was made public) saying he loathed the military and was essentially trying to get out of service.
Bush senior was a war hero, and Clinton was a disgrace.
Here’s an anecdote. One of Harris’ supporters who is a retired flag officer (can’t remember the name, does’t really matter believe this or don’t)…he went to the White House when he was active duty and was ordered away by….Chelsea, a teenaged snot nosed brat.
Her comment was “we don’t allow people in uniform here”.
This is not an urban legend. It happened, but was swept under the rug.
The officer did not make a public stink about it, and Clinton met with him and told him he owed him a favor. Later, the officer got a lot of promotions and became a proud supporter of the Democrat party.
The most gratifying thing about this election was watching everyone finally admit they were polishing a turd with Kamala and Biden.
Okay, done on politics.
Lol. Never a bad idea. Thanks for your thoughts.
Since there isn’t an edit button…ONE MORE (that’s right).
I was very rare for military leaders to endorse Clinton over a war hero in 1992. One retired admiral did. That admiral became the CEO for a company that made anthrax vaccines. Clinton mandated those vaccines even for pregnant women serving in the military.
After years of forced anthrax jabs on military the consequences to retention (via side effects) were so dire the GAO demanded an oversight committee for the DOD to investigate. Rather than creating that oversight committee the DOD discontinued the jabs.
Clinton was more Republican than Republicans…esp during his second term. NAFTA, GATT, Glas-Stegal repeal, and of course…The Telecommunications Act and “the era of big government is over” and all the Republicans had “he had sex with an intern! Americans elected us in 1994, this means they want to go to church, be christian and end abortion!”
Essentially was their argument. The Republicans in general love to lose. Super majority in the House and still couldnt stand up to “mean ol Barak Obama” and “we cant get anything done unless we have the presidency”
They were given that….and still?????
This is why I dont vote anymore. All tough talking and then brass tacks……they cant “do” anything. Just as bad as the Democrats they bemoan.
As for Bush on MTV, you are correct. I do stand corrected. Too little too late it was late October 1992
Essentially was their argument. The Republicans in general love to lose. Super majority in the House and still couldnt stand up to “mean ol Barak Obama” and “we cant get anything done unless we have the presidency”
They were given that….and still?????
This is why I dont vote anymore. All tough talking and then brass tacks……they cant “do” anything. Just as bad as the Democrats they bemoan.
Remember how W. was reelected mainly based on word of mouth of essentially ” WAIT UNTIL HE GETS BACK IN WITH NOTHING TO LOSE IN ’04 THROUGH ’08! -HE WITH THE R HOUSE & R SENATE MAJORITY WILL WIN THE WAR ON TERROR BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, STOP SPENDING ON FOREIGN AID(EXCEPT FOR OUR ”FRIENDS” OF COURSE) AND AS WELL AS HIS ORIGINAL PROMISES OF ” “change the tone” in D.C., privatize social security and reduce government spending.
Of course i unlike a certain saint at Spawnys today am not expecting much from Trump as I’m a realist and know no matter what that ”the swamp” doesn’t want to be drained and most Americans really don’t want it to be in the end either as well as the Rs who will team up with the Ds to beat back into submission Trump or anyone else if he doesn’t play by the same ”rules” as last time.
This just about summarizes it:
Democrats apparently just assume that hispanic illegal immigrants are voting.
Californians—CALIFORNIANS—voted to keep the same slavery provisions enshrined in the U.S. Constitution.
Interesting.
In Los Angeles County where I live. Trumps support up four points from 2020 and six from 2016.
Still lost by a significant majority………..but
LA’s DA Gascon has been defeated by a wide margin. Even LA Liberals dont like menace, property crime, quality of life and smash and grab
I dont think our new DA will change much…….but it is interesting to see.
Well, they overwhelmingly passed Prop 36:
California has a massive theft and drug problem that needs to be resolved, and the voters have spoken. If they don’t fix it, I would expect further bloodshed in future elections. If California ever becomes a swing state again, that would alter the American political landscape.
People forget. California was a overall a “republican” state electorally until the early 1990’s. Texas used to be a “democrat” stalwart. This changed in the early 1990’s.
LA county also rejected more “rent control” properties. There is a discontent here. Republican challengers to state and federal congressional seats….yes the democrats won…but not the blowout that was had in the past four / six elections
Update on voting in general.
What GOOD arguments from Scripture are there against the ”Lesser Of Two Evils” lame argument?
https://www.openbible.info/topics/lesser_of_two_evils
46 Bible Verses about
Lesser Of Two Evils
James 4:17 ESV / 49 helpful votes
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
1 Thessalonians 5:22 ESV / 45 helpful votes
Abstain from every form of evil.
Romans 3:8 ESV / 36 helpful votes
And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.
Proverbs 3:31 ESV / 24 helpful votes
Do not envy a man of violence and do not choose any of his ways,
Galatians 5:1 ESV / 23 helpful votes
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Proverbs 17:15 ESV / 23 helpful votes
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.
Exodus 23:2 ESV / 22 helpful votes
You shall not fall in with the many to do evil, nor shall you bear witness in a lawsuit, siding with the many, so as to pervert justice,
Revelation 1:1 ESV / 19 helpful votes
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
Luke 3:19 ESV / 18 helpful votes
But Herod the tetrarch, who had been reproved by him for Herodias, his brother’s wife, and for all the evil things that Herod had done,
Jeremiah 2:13 ESV / 14 helpful votes
For my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken me, the fountain of living waters, and hewed out cisterns for themselves, broken cisterns that can hold no water.
1 Corinthians 10:13 ESV / 13 helpful votes
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
Isaiah 7:25 ESV / 13 helpful votes
And as for all the hills that used to be hoed with a hoe, you will not come there for fear of briers and thorns, but they will become a place where cattle are let loose and where sheep tread.
Deuteronomy 31:18 ESV / 13 helpful votes
And I will surely hide my face in that day because of all the evil that they have done, because they have turned to other gods.
Deuteronomy 31:17 ESV / 13 helpful votes
Then my anger will be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them and hide my face from them, and they will be devoured. And many evils and troubles will come upon them, so that they will say in that day, ‘Have not these evils come upon us because our God is not among us?’
Genesis 1:16 ESV / 13 helpful votes
And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars.
Ezekiel 43:14 ESV / 12 helpful votes
From the base on the ground to the lower ledge, two cubits, with a breadth of one cubit; and from the smaller ledge to the larger ledge, four cubits, with a breadth of one cubit;
Acts 23:23 ESV / 10 helpful votes
Then he called two of the centurions and said, “Get ready two hundred soldiers, with seventy horsemen and two hundred spearmen to go as far as Caesarea at the third hour of the night.
John 14:1-31 ESV / 10 helpful votes
“Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going.” Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” …
Matthew 25:22 ESV / 10 helpful votes
And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’
Matthew 25:17 ESV / 10 helpful votes
So also he who had the two talents made two talents more.
Psalm 40:12 ESV / 10 helpful votes
For evils have encompassed me beyond number; my iniquities have overtaken me, and I cannot see; they are more than the hairs of my head; my heart fails me.
Revelation 1:1-20 ESV / 9 helpful votes
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood …
Romans 1:32 ESV / 8 helpful votes
Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Ezekiel 6:9 ESV / 8 helpful votes
Then those of you who escape will remember me among the nations where they are carried captive, how I have been broken over their whoring heart that has departed from me and over their eyes that go whoring after their idols. And they will be loathsome in their own sight for the evils that they have committed, for all their abominations.
Hebrews 11:1-40 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. For by it the people of old received their commendation. By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible. By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks. By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God. …
Micah 6:8 ESV / 7 helpful votes
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Ezekiel 20:43 ESV / 7 helpful votes
And there you shall remember your ways and all your deeds with which you have defiled yourselves, and you shall loathe yourselves for all the evils that you have committed.
Nehemiah 7:8 ESV / 7 helpful votes
The sons of Parosh, 2,172.
Ezra 2:12 ESV / 7 helpful votes
The sons of Azgad, 1,222.
Ezra 2:3 ESV / 7 helpful votes
The sons of Parosh, 2,172.
2 Chronicles 4:13 ESV / 7 helpful votes
And the 400 pomegranates for the two latticeworks, two rows of pomegranates for each latticework, to cover the two bowls of the capitals that were on the pillars.
2 Kings 5:23 ESV / 7 helpful votes
And Naaman said, “Be pleased to accept two talents.” And he urged him and tied up two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of clothing, and laid them on two of his servants. And they carried them before Gehazi.
1 Kings 7:42 ESV / 7 helpful votes
And the four hundred pomegranates for the two latticeworks, two rows of pomegranates for each latticework, to cover the two bowls of the capitals that were on the pillars;
Deuteronomy 31:21 ESV / 7 helpful votes
And when many evils and troubles have come upon them, this song shall confront them as a witness (for it will live unforgotten in the mouths of their offspring). For I know what they are inclined to do even today, before I have brought them into the land that I swore to give.”
Exodus 39:18 ESV / 7 helpful votes
They attached the two ends of the two cords to the two settings of filigree. Thus they attached it in front to the shoulder pieces of the ephod.
Exodus 39:16 ESV / 7 helpful votes
And they made two settings of gold filigree and two gold rings, and put the two rings on the two edges of the breastpiece.
Exodus 37:27 ESV / 7 helpful votes
And made two rings of gold on it under its molding, on two opposite sides of it, as holders for the poles with which to carry it.
Exodus 28:25 ESV / 7 helpful votes
The two ends of the two cords you shall attach to the two settings of filigree, and so attach it in front to the shoulder pieces of the ephod.
Hebrews 11:1 ESV / 6 helpful votes
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
James 4:1-2 ESV / 5 helpful votes
What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask.
Matthew 5:31-32 ESV / 5 helpful votes
“It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Revelation 3:15-16 ESV / 4 helpful votes
“‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.
Romans 9:1-33 ESV / 4 helpful votes
I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. …
John 8:34 ESV / 4 helpful votes
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.
Exodus 21:22-25 ESV / 2 helpful votes
“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Exodus 21:22 ESV / 2 helpful votes
“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine.
So what are those civic religion arguments worth to Christians?
Philippians 3:8 ESV / 6 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ
Isaiah 64:6 ESV / 5 helpful votes
We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
Luke 14:33 ESV / 5 helpful votes
So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.
Matthew 13:44-46 ESV / 4 helpful votes
“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and covered up. Then in his joy he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search of fine pearls, who, on finding one pearl of great value, went and sold all that he had and bought it.
2 Peter 3:8-9 ESV / 4 helpful votes
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Romans 8:18 ESV / 4 helpful votes
For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.
Matthew 19:29 ESV / 4 helpful votes
And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life.
1 Corinthians 4:11-13 ESV / 4 helpful votes
To the present hour we hunger and thirst, we are poorly dressed and buffeted and homeless, and we labor, working with our own hands. When reviled, we bless; when persecuted, we endure; when slandered, we entreat. We have become, and are still, like the scum of the world, the refuse of all things.
2 Corinthians 4:17-18 ESV / 4 helpful votes
For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.
Hebrews 10:34 ESV / 4 helpful votes
For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one.
James 1:9-10 ESV / 4 helpful votes
Let the lowly brother boast in his exaltation, and the rich in his humiliation, because like a flower of the grass he will pass away.
Now see why those who promote the Civic Religion have to read every Dale Carnegie/Tony Robbins -type book & class they can find-to try to sweet talk Christians into sinning?
Charlton here tells why all the latter day ”redpillers” who supposedly hate the matrix go along with it.
It’s almost like supposed redpillers are really something else huh?
Like tradconnic fedpillers perhaps?
Thursday 7 November 2024
Is BRICS the backlash of Lawful Evil?
As The West continues its path of (in Dungeons and Dragons terms) Chaotic Evil – or what I would term spite-driven Sorathic self-and-other destruction; it seems to me that Lawful Evil (i.e. the Ahrimanic – control-motivated, hence totalitarian and bureaucratic type of evil) is making an attempt at comeback via the now world-dominant BRICS grouping.
In other words The System (“the Matrix”) is doomed to inwardly-driven (and actively-desired) self-destruction, and is already collapsing, in The West; therefore the powers of evil whose strategy is to impose a material mechanism for spiritual damnation, are shifting attention from The West to The Rest.
Geopolitics is always evil, no matter its explicit purpose.
While, from the POV of the dominant countries of the Fire Nation and the Earth Kingdom, BRICS seems to be a means towards the end of national sovereignty and the cultural autonomy in face of a monolithic globalism; the very facts and necessities of any multi-national compromise coalition, continue to push the existing and emerging alliance towards the nature of Lawful Evil.
This is evidenced by several of the many recent statements of BRICS policy and strategy; which favour UN-type organizations to formulate and enforce “international regulation”.
It therefore seem like the demons of Lawful Evil have abandoned “The West” to the ministrations of Chaotic Evil, and are increasingly directing their main efforts towards “The Rest”.
From a Christian perspective, we are dealing with greater versus lesser evils (at best); therefore there is again the pitfall opening of inducing people actively to support that which is actually-evil, on the basis that it is a different, and maybe less extreme, kind of evil than that which preceded it.
The danger is that Christians are actively supporting Lawful Evil on the basis that it is possible to be optimistic about its prospects in this-world, here-and-now.
I suggest that Christians need to be much clearer than they currently seem to be, about the necessity actively to support only that which is Good by motivation and methods – no matter how weak that Good may be in this-worldly terms; and no matter how pessimistic the prospects of Good seem, with things as they currently are.
On the material and earthly level, Christians will inevitably lose – sooner or later; and it is on the spiritual level that are there solid grounds for realistic optimism.
The grounds of our hope are sure, but Not Of This World.
Once we have grasped this; then (but only then) can we see and know how such a spiritual and next-worldly expectation, can and will improve things in this mortal life.
In D&D terms we should eschew not just evil, but the categories of lawful and chaotic, and pursue that which is creative.
Most ”genius rp leaders” are ex(or perchance they still childishly play in their mom’s basement & local college drainage system?) expert Dungeon masters so they should be able to understand Bruce’s post above.
When God gave the Promised Land, and His instructions. The new nation was surrounded not only by potential enemies / hostile people and kingdoms. Many of them had higher material value. With temples, public buildings , better homes and standards of living (higher than then for that time)
Of course they were seduced slowly into a living situation God did not want or plan for them. By their neighbors, Philistines, The Phoenicians / proto similar Greek culture to empires of the East. Tempting to emulate or want.
And of course our Modern American Church today. There is nothing wrong with earning money or being a so to speak “rich” Christian. But to make this a “requirement” to be attractive to women, or to have “favor with God” or as a template of what an American Christian Life should be…..
Well….
Jesus said to “love God with all your heart and soul and life” and that is the equalization. What of a man who was born with low intellect, but indeed loves Christ as he commanded? What of the rich man who trusts God first on all things, loves Him and understands his “responsibility” of being rich and also knowing, it was of God. Not him.
Very deep indeed and hence again, Jesus wanted all. He didnt care how much money you had. He wanted you to steward resources that you DO have. He never once mentioned that a man must have x amount of money, prestige or education to “find” a wife
Nor did he say anything remotely about “status” or “LAMPS” or whatever. It was also not a requirement to be married and father children for “His fathers Kingdom”
Jesus was single. And “he hath no comeliness that we may be attracted to Him” (Jesus was an average / non descript looking man)
It has been made today into a whole life planned around status, looks, money, arrogance.
i wanted to close out this post with two GREAT comments from an old buddy(since 2012 officially at DALS, even though he was reading GBFM at ROISSYS in 2011 when he first showed up in the Roissyosphere) of GBFMS!
thedeti says:
8 November, 2024 at 9:49 pm
Rant ahead.
I’m flabbergasted. I have close friends IRL and some online. Some of them are college educated and highly intelligent. I love them and I care about them very much. I’ve known them since college. I’ve worked with them, drunk with them, partied with them, laughed with them,
(HATED MOSES, JESUS & GBFM AS WE SAID ”GAME RULES” & THEN CRIED TOGETHER AS I SAID & admitted ”MUH GAME FAILED” &”MUH MANosphere” last summer at Spawnys that led directly to that sparkly post a few months later about ”trolls”) and moved into middle age with them.
So imagine my surprise at these erudite intelligent men and women saying, with no irony and in all seriousness, that Trump will suspend the constitution, imprison his political opponents, and “go after” those who oppose him. My friends claim the immunities SCOTUS announced in Trump v. US over the summer will embolden Trump and enable him to engage in all sorts of extraconstitutional behavior and commit human rights violations, that he personally will work to violate the rights of US citizens. They claim that they don’t know our country anymore, and how could almost 71 million people have voted for him.
These are people who have studied politics, history, economics, war, and law with me, in school and in real life. I’m disappointed in them. They should know better.
No one, especially not Trump, is going to send jackbooted thugs to anyone’s home to prevent them from doing whatever legal things they’re doing there, including having sex, extramarital sex, adulterous sex, homosexual sex, contracepted sex, or whatever other kind of sex people want to have. No one is going to prevent people from using legal substances in their own homes. No one is going to suspend the constitution. No one will destroy this country’s institutions. They might get RIF’ed some; some people might get fired; and their powers might be limited. But the country will still be here after Trump is inaugurated. It will still be here after Trump leaves office on January 20, 2029. It might look different. But it will still be here.
I wasn’t all that happy when Bill Clinton was elected in 1992. But life went on. When he was reelected I was working and had been married a few months. And it was OK. When Obama was elected in 2008, I was working at a different job and my son had been born a couple years before. And it was OK. He was reelected in 2012; and it was still OK. Biden was elected in 2020. I didn’t do heel clicks; but life went on and we were OK.
And we will be OK with Trump, and afterwards too.
If Kamala had been elected, I wouldn’t have been happy about it. But it would have been OK.
I wasn’t happy about the Great Recession Obama caused, but I was OK.
I wasn’t happy about the economy going to shit and the culture war Obama insisted on, but I put up with it. I wasn’t happy about World War Trans that Biden instigated, but we were OK. I started getting really alarmed at going after the kids with Drag Queen Story Hour and transitioning minors. But I didn’t say much.
I didn’t pout and sulk and take my toys and go home. I didn’t grouse and gripe about the country going to hell. I didn’t threaten to leave the country (I really can’t). I did what I always do – I shut the fuck up, I went to work, I did my job, I paid the bills, I paid my taxes, I went to church and prayed, I drank some whiskey, and tried to relax about it all. Oh, yeah, and I voted.
I didn’t act like a little bitch about it. I didn’t wring my hands about it like a little girl. I rolled up my sleeves and I did the work set before me.
So I’m disappointed. In my friends. In people I thought I knew. In people who I thought were made of sterner stuff. In people who I thought understood how these things play out over the long arc of history. I guess I had more faith in their understanding and their maturity, and in the people of the US. In my friends. In people I’ve known my whole life.
I was wrong. Maybe they were too.
I’m just disappointed today. I thought my countrymen, educated men, erudite men, men of letters and knowledge and acumen and history, knew better.
I guess over time we’ll see who’s wrong and who’s right.
thedeti says:
8 November, 2024 at 10:17 pm
1974: “The long national (Watergate) nightmare is over”
1975, Carter: “I’ll never lie to you”
1979: “Reagan is a moronic cowboy actor who is going to get us all killed. He’s a warmonger who will goad the USSR into blowing up the entire world”
1983: “Reagan is an international bully who’s destroying the world and the economy”
1991: “GHWBush got us into war and a shitty economy. He’s going to get us all killed over a Saddam grudge. We have to replace him”
1999: “GWB is a moron who’s going to get us all killed” (rather, he defended us after 9/11 but got us into the Iraq War which still didn’t get us all killed)
2003: “GWB will still get us all killed”
2007: “Obama will bring healing and light to us all and forgive the stain of racism. Hope and Change, baby”
”REDPILL”/Manosphere{the cheap failurous enemy within the Roissyosphere} Late 2008 : ”GAME is going to save muh marriages and Western Civ” according to Athol Kay, Susan Walsh & about the same time Vox Day.
2011: Romney’s a weirdo with the weird Mormon underwear. Reelect Obama so the healing can continue despite high interest rates and inflation. H5N1 and Ebola, no problem.”
2015: “Deplorables! Trump is a moron who will get us all killed!”
Spring 2020: “Covid! Trump isn’t doing anything about it! He’s a moron and we’ll all die because of him!”
The 2020 Summer of BLM Love: “Trump m*rd*red George Floyd! It’s all his fault! He has brought hate and division that must be healed!”
”REDPILL”osphere{the enemy within the Roissyosphere} under ”rp genius leaders”’ Jan 2023 : ” Derek & GBFM m*rd*red redpill not us ”good” guys & are to blame for our mass stupidity & mass failure as tradcon fedpiller infiltrators brosz”
2024: “Oh God that Trump guy again… Oh shit Biden fell apart… Obama save us… Kamala to the rescue… Trump is a racist/sexist/fascist/muh democracy…”
And we’re still here (as DEREK, MOD, LIZ, MOSES, JESUS, and GBFM make much progress in MEN’s knowledge & advancement, ladsz.)
i like Deti’s new positive white pillish attitude!
The Great Recession was put into groundwork when Bill Clinton, along with his “conservative” friends in Congress repealed Glas-Stegal. Bush’s spending on Medicare parts A,B,C and handing out billions of dollars to to the third world in “economic aid”
And that isnt including the gazillion dollars spent in fighting in Iraq
Suddenly…..in late 2008….”Ummm Congress needs to approve X billion of dollars…ummm there’s no money left. Congress needs to act”
Mind you at the time, Bush was a “conservative hero” to all the boobs on talk radio and of course the bobbling heads on Fox News.
He’s a criminal actually, and it was the guy who had the “who farted?” look on his face. It was this man who really…looking back with 20/20 hindsight….who was a really terrible president.
Yes, the “other side would have been worse” they will say……but again, I am tired of selecting the “lesser of two supposed evils”
Hence why I dont vote and put zero faith in this system. I used to get angry at people who didnt vote. Now? Let it burn. Trump, Hawley, Cotton, or Harris are not going to save you…..and NONE would have zero problem sending young men to die (your sons) in a war over political agendas, oil, or a social / political stance.
JD Salinger wrote a short story in the late 1940’s called “Just Before the War With the Eskimos” where one of the characters speaks about how “in the next war, all the old people should go first” to “set an example”.
Also the character points out through his actions / conversation the futility and meaninglessness of life about how during the war “he worked in airplane factory because of his bad heart”. I gather he was more worried about what other men may think of him since so many DID serve in the war. There was a stigma at the time of men who did not serve (health, favorite son status, or skills needed in a critical field on the home front)
He didnt seem too concerned about his future and found what his friend Eric, and his younger sister were squabbling over to be trivial. His friend and him were going to see a show soon….his sister had to get some money owed to a friend.
The urbanity of the story and just the conversation flashes a snapshot of aspects of the whole “futile” aspects of life and perhaps there is something more.
I thought of this story for some reason just after this election
Here we go. Well said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5nw73b1pYI
I wonder what Sharkly thinks about Trump appointing a woman to be his Chief of Staff?
And a woman as the UN Ambassador. She is from my Congressional District in New York State where I grew up.
Trump is a win for the military.
I’ll tell you the C in C has a major impact on the military. Maybe that doesn’t matter to people here, but for those of us with children in the military (I have one who just got back from a 6 month deployment to combat zone in the Middle East…and he was lucky, the maintainers all had to stay and will be out there until who knows when…please remember Trump’s competition claimed these tens of thousands of deployed soldiers don’t exist).
Right now my spouse is jumping for joy over the new Sec of Defense.
Anyone who claims he is inexperienced should know the typical Sec of Defense is an Ivy League bureaucrat with little or no military background at all. The worst in memory was Ash Carter, who not only never served but didn’t meet with a single Joint Chief of staff the first 6 months he was in office. All he wanted to do was push the woke agenda.
Right now we have terrible leadership in the military.
And yes, this matters to a lot of “common” people.
When Edmondson was commandant of cadets at the AF academy two male recruits committed suicide in two days (after she put them all on house arrest during the covid lockdown).
I’m sure the vibe at the Pentagon right now is priceless.
My spouse was promoted to general about 3-4 times in promotion boards. Yes I’ve lost count, I can’t remember and neither can he. He never took the star. Because the jobs he would have taken didn’t offer him the chance to help people in the way he wanted to. He never allowed them to announce his promotion to general except the last time when he decided to retire. He only did that for me (he didn’t care what others thought, but he knew it would bother me that everyone thought he was forced to retire rather than being promoted). We got a lot of congrats and all that, and they were confused when he retired. He didn’t go for a job at the Pentagon (for those who don’t know, an initial cadre F22 guy who wrote the operations and tactics manual for the F22 and was an installation commander would make about 1 million dollars a year, pretty easily). He won’t work for military contractors.
That’s the guy I’m married to.
And that’s the guy who is overjoyed to see some cleaning house in the Pentagon.
Although I said I would’t post about politics more, folks should understand this does have an impact on everyone.
And I think Musk’s DOGE is going to have a major impact as well. Maybe even more.
So people are right to be hopeful.
Trump isn’t perfect but he is so far above what we were staring at before, it is worth at least a sigh of relief.
If anyone wants to smarten up on the economic impact of terrible policy decisions, or anyone thinks moving to Europe would be a smart move, here is a link to a thread on the EU’s economic suicide.
https://x.com/itsolelehmann/status/1856759960648257765
(16 years ago, the EU and US economies were neck and neck.
Today, the US economy is 50% larger than the entire EU combined….is economics everything? No. But living up in the mountains of Colorado where it just snowed 3 feet in 2 days recently, I can tell you being able to afford to heat your home can be a big deal)
Okay done now.
Hope you all are having a good morning.
None of that affects me, or worries me. Our presidents of late (Trump included) have no problem bombing civilians in border skirmishes, using the military in “undeclared wars” and using it to put fear into leaders the CIA doesnt like around the world.
Not a pacifist, nor part of the “hate ‘Murica” crowd but I dont see much in the end changing. Okay, the military is going to get rid of “woke” recruitment ads.
The Russians have decimated our stocks, and our combat equipment shows its no match for a ground war on the eastern European steppes against Russian technology and their determination.
The Pentagon is still pushing for a war with China, and I dont see how we can untangle ourselves from Israel (I’m part of the crowd, ‘declare victory, leave and let God sort it out’)
As for ramping up military production. How? We dont build a d*mn thing anymore and to build factories / re-open them….find the raw materials, mine them, train the staff to build…….we’re talking a decade.
But Trump is “gonna save the world” (rolls eyes)
It’s not just ads.
I know it’s just “ads” to you, but actual people are seriously impacted in the military by those policies and policy decisions.
I won’t discuss it further. There is no point.
They WILLINGLY joined a miliary and country that hates them, and still will send them to die for or defend causes / vendettas of an elite political class (no matter which party is in)
I could perhaps relate if it was 1966, and you have to serve, or be drafted.
As for the “new” Sec of Defense. A guy who did a couple tours and served (props)…how does he have the skills and know how to run an organization of almost three million employees.
Are Colonels and Generals going to “listen” to him????
When I was promoted into a management position in my company…..I was in over my head, property worth hundreds of milllions of dollars. The gazillion regulations, permits, processes……sure, he may have help and a good staff…..but I personally believe he is going to be in over his head, and out of his element a bit.
Also, a disastrous marriage and having a kid out of wedlock. Briliant!
“Are Colonels and Generals going to “listen” to him????”
They will have to. That’s how “chain of command” works.
Everyone is out of their element at first. New jobs are always a rough start.
I doubt he’ll wait 6 months before talking to military leadership like a predecessor did, at least. An Ivy League bureaucrat isn’t going to do a better job (he does have an Ivy League education, fwiw, he’s just not one of them).
At the very least I doubt he’ll get a home-brewed unsecured server and send his spouse around the world making 500k a half hour speeches.
Disastrous marriage(s) are pretty ubiquitous by the look of things.
Unfortunately. Trump also had a couple of disastrous marriages.
Clinton’s marriage is an open joke.
Biden and Kamala had disastrous lives.
Agreed on personal lives. But Trump is “a christian” evidently (rolls eyes)
I just dont see much changing in the end. Some DEI policies will be revoked, yes a good thing….but I dont see a “Pentagon” or “Defense Dept” getting better, leaner or running properly under this man. He, like Condeleeza Rice has a quick answer and says the right things….but looking back, she wasnt effective Sec of State for the most part. Colin Powell…..the “soldiers” soldier! He got duped over “weapons of mass destruction”
We put people in who dont have the expertise, but just know what to say to the cameras and to the party that’s “in”
In the BSA when I was active (2009-2016), they were paying the top Scout Executive of the BSA a few million a year. They had to pay him this or “we cannot attract good people”
He bankrupted the organization, allowed things he said that he was “never going to alllow / do” and he was the best pick because “he was an Eagle Scout” and voted for W Bush.
What the BSA needed was a run of the mill executive / manager who could balance the books, focus on the “Mission Statement” and grow the charitable base.
Basics. Pragmatics.
When I was at IBM, they brought in Lou Gerstner in 1993. The company was n the verge of bankruptcy. Its market share and impact had diminshed since the 1970’s. It was a dinosaur. He had zero experience in computers. He was a candy / cigarette salesman from Nabisco.
What did he have? An excellent detail to a bottom line, excellent communication skills and a drive to save the company, and jobs! He could read a ledger. He could talk to people well, and he wasnt afraid to say “I dont know”
Probably the same could be said about Iaocca at Chrysler.
Everyone in positions like this today seem to have all the answers and solutions and still cant delegate, lead, and take responsibility. Dare I say “inspire” as well.
I dont see much of a difference here as compared to others before him.
Im sorry Im jaded, but I’ve been hearing how “amazing” Trump is on everything and I am the only one who seems to remember the first term
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoN5ovwB8s4&t=4683s
Here is an interview with Hegseth on the Shawn Ryan show, for those interested.
He impresses me more than any prior Sec of Defense with the exception of Mattis (yes, I liked Mattis and still do. He was a very good Sec of Defense in poll of very bad ones, in my estimation…though he quit or was fired or whatever over the Syrian Kurd situation and I disagreed with him on that, he did a lot of good things while he served in that capacity).
Okay, far too much talking I’m done. Take care.
Largest segment of interview is on public education / homeschooling / alternative education and issues pertaining to that. He should have gone for the “Sec of Education” (oh, he cant, Trump is gonna close-that-down evidently)
Watched the entire thing last night:
*A policy or two rolled back (DEI stuff, ads that will now have white men jumping out of planes and the like to go and defend foreign oil, destabilize other countries, and fight proxy wars)
*He is NOT head of the VA. So many comments about how he is going to “fix” the VA
*A man speaking of “morals and values” he should open the book himself. Typical “red pill” bully type. Rules apply to men like me. Not him
*Mostly all talk. Nothing will really change “internally” how the things are done
*Even he implements a new vision, we’re talking ten twenty years to get things maybe normal again, and that’s if everyone cooperates. Good luck,
All talk.
Brian Forbes AKA Jack Wayne, the 140 i.q. genius update explains ”why a MENZ(such as ST.Rollo)will respond to a woman’s request to take out the garbage, NOT to be a helper to her, but because he recognizes it as something that needs to be done, and because he believes it is better or more efficient for her efforts to be directed towards another activity at that moment. He will NOT take out the garbage to please her or because he is afraid she will nag him or throw a hissy fit or deny him affection when they go to bed that night. Simply put, he does it because he is kind and wishes to maintain the quality of the home environment. He also does it because he knows this is one way to show love and care for his wife of nearly three decades (like how ST.Deti rolls too I might say ladsz).
IOW, he is kind out of choice (NOT RAW DAWG GAYNESS like in my blue pill days), according to his PUA Gamey character y’all. He is NOT kind to placate her feelings or supplicate her whims as that would be NOT BOSS but if I may be so quaint as to say gay. That would NOT be genuine (nor 140 i.q geniusness) kindness.
A Nice Code
Posted on 2024-11-15 by Jack
Purpose, NOT politeness!
Readership: All
Targeted Readership: Men
Theme: Virtue
Author’s Note: This essay is based on an email exchange on 2022/12/17-18 with a reader who wishes to remain anonymous.
Length: 1,300 words
Reading Time: 7 minutes
A Nice Code of Conduct has Corrupted how Good Conduct is Perceived
The weaker and more emotional sex becomes offended rather easily. They carry a chip on their shoulder, are quick to take everything personally, and have a hair-trigger on their anger. In all this, they often fail to realize that just because a man / husband does NOT care about their FEELINGS, it does NOT mean he doesn’t care about HER.
As the recipient, it is Ouch! OUCH! and double OUCH! But the humiliation of being confronted with the truth is one reason why chicks dig jerks. It’s just that jerks have a sense of purpose that draws admiration and respect from chicks, whereas the common man is more interested in tamping down conflict and therefore seen (by women) as boring and shifty.
For an example of purpose, a man will respond to a woman’s request to take out the garbage, NOT to be a helper to her, but because he recognizes it as something that needs to be done, and because he believes it is better or more efficient for her efforts to be directed towards another activity at that moment. He will NOT take out the garbage to please her or because he is afraid she will nag him or throw a hissy fit or deny him affection when they go to bed that night. Simply put, he does it because he is kind and wishes to maintain the quality of the home environment. He also does it because he knows this is one way to show love and care for his wife. IOW, he is kind out of choice, according to his character. He is NOT kind to placate her feelings or supplicate her whims. That would NOT be genuine kindness.
When women realize that men are willing to do something kind and risk being seen as a paddy last, or say something truthful and risk the brunt of her anger, NOT because they are fearful or intimidated of being ‘disobedient’ to her (as seen from her debased viewpoint), but BECAUSE they love and care, this added awareness is a lightbulb moment for her in the relationship — IF it ever happens.
But as long as women see men as ‘equals’ who are subservient to their whims, it is a shame that any Goodness / Kindness on his behalf will be misinterpreted as a weakness.
See MOD Brian/Jack not only reads mine and Derek’s posts and comments but yours too(which is what started off his last three posts-”Back in December 2022, LastMod questioned the value of being nice or polite”)which is why a certain other ”genius” is so angry with us as his supposed BFF Brian/Jack pays nary a fraction of attention to his quote by many others ”ranting”.
Oh really?
I could care less what they all think at this point.
They constantly said “No, dont be NICE, be GOOD”
Jesus said “None / not one was good” and “only The Father was good”
Pet dogs are good, they’re givin a ‘pat on the back’ and blue pill cucks are ‘good’ and do what mommy says. Red Pill guys thin being goos is not being nice. by their own behaviors, they just changed the word from “nice” to “good” and now “its all better”
These men are the most easily offended, boxer-bunched-in-a-bundle-in-their-buttcracks over every little thing a woman does not do and they cant even be polite to other men, view “words” like nice as a total threat to their entire movement.
No one cares. What needs to be said has been said. Most men, will take what works and leave. Most men are tired of being lectured to, talked down to and belittled by them.
Overgrown children. Everything they accuse “blue pill” men of doing. They are doing.
They’re still living out high school and think bullying, sex, and shame are manhood.
This is what it has become.
MOD Deti has gotten so used to not being censored/held back by red pill lite Jack by not being at SF anymore, his use of a certain phrase has gotten noticed faster at Spawnys by some.
Johnny Rotten says:
15 November, 2024 at 8:26 pm
As much as I love Deti, and everyone else here, can we replace “goddam” with “Budda be damd” or “muslims be damd” or “Satan be damd” or any of the other false gods be damned such as Baal, Astarte, Asherah, Chemosh, Dagon, Moloch, Tammuz. Why damn the one true creator of the universe, the triune God who will determine our everlasting eternity? Just wondering for a friend…….
Cautiously Pessimistic says:
15 November, 2024 at 8:58 pm
“Why damn the one true creator of the universe”
While I also prefer to avoid GD for religious reasons, I never took it to mean the damning of God, rather as an entreaty for God to damn some third party. Since I try to leave those kinds of judgements for God to deal with, I avoid the phrase just to prevent my brain from becoming too comfortable with the idea of asking God for spurious judgements.
I also assume most folks using the phrase just use it as an intensifier rather than for its literal meaning.
thedeti says:
15 November, 2024 at 9:09 pm
If it is the majority’s request that I not use GD any more, I won’t – but I will state that it is for emphasis and not to cause offense to readers.
bombadilhorseman says:
15 November, 2024 at 9:10 pm
As a Toaist, we have either thousands of small g gods or none depending on the context, I use the general small d damn it.
When talking of the Lord I say whichever deity is relevant to the conversation. Or when alone the Soveriegn of the Universe.
But I agree with the context of not invoking in vain.
Even our FAVE ”Genius friend”(then why was he nearly fifty like the 140 i.q. one when he found out ”women are like MEN(i.e. sinners) & want what they want and NOT to be servants of Righteousness(like Sparkly himself)?)talked about it too.
Sharkly says:
15 November, 2024 at 10:15 pm
When I say that something, or someone, is “God damned”, I mean that according to my understanding of God, those things will not be in God’s heaven. Meaning people who do such things are, per God, already damned. (e.g. liars-like those who claim to get special extra biblical ”messages from ”God”-yea hear that Brian/Jack?, cowards-like me who refuse to confront Brian/Jack over his supposed special extra-biblical messages from ”God”, cheats-I include myself here too for the aforementioned reason,like Elrushbo for taking dem opioids by the hundreds of thousands ‘tween ’98 & Aug ’03 and most likely beyond and even W. for his notorious coke use in the 1980s with Obummer as his dealer in Chicago, effeminates, Etc. etc. redpilled etc.) Or that such doctrines or foolishness like voting for the lesser of two evils will never exist in heaven. Or that some specific non-gay porn sodomy bluepilled thing is unfit for heaven and thus is relegated to be burned up with this passing world.
So, I’m not using the term in vain. When I say that some person or thing is damned by God, I truly believe that they stand damned.
Another update from the self-admitted above liar, coward & cheat Sparkly.
Sharkly says:
15 November, 2024 at 10:46 pm
“You’re lying – either your mom isn’t an eye surgeon; or she didn’t look for work, or she did get work but you lied about it. I don’t believe your story for one goddamn fucking second.”
Remember that night Jacky almost froze to death selling matches?
https://andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersholt/TheLittleMatchGirl_e.html
Has anybody noticed how the trend is now for most all of our politicians to now claim they were once poor, or middle class, or came from the hood like all the prep-schooled rap stars. I think I’ma write an elegy about my hillbilly roots. Joe Biden even lied and claimed, “great-grandfather was a coal miner”. Thanks to DEI, few want to admit they are the polished product of a long line of savvy and privileged people’s dedicated work to propel them into the ruling class.
Some like Bushes, DuPonts, Kennedys, Rockefellers, Romneys, and Trumps, aren’t able to hide their family dynasties, but the rest now were all presumably born in a briar patch or behind a taco stand.
Sharkly says:
15 November, 2024 at 11:26 pm
Manliness Needs to Make a Comeback
I won’t link to the sorry article. The author shows a picture of a young man rock-climbing up a cliff face, and says the answer is for men to take risks, such as getting married, sticking your dick into Crazy, and having enough kids to supposedly save Western Civilization. SMH
What does Sparkly think he & his BFF Brian/Jack are telling them?
I’m beginning to think Brian/Jack(who knows he’s done it to others such as Dal’, ED Kennedy,Scott and myself) will soon be telling Sparkly this from Nazareth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl2zFzPh8fU
Nazareth – Please Don’t Judas Me
428,663 views Jul 5, 2024
Please don’t Judas me
Treat me, as you’d like to be treated
Please don’t blacklist me
Leave me, as you’d wish to find me
Don’t analyse me
Sacrifice me
Please don’t Judas me.
Please don’t chastise me
Show me just one shred of kindness
Try to help me see
Guide me in my eyes of blindness
Don’t despise me
Categorise me
Please don’t Judas me.
No, no, don’t Judas me
No, please don’t Judas me.
Please don’t headshrink me
Don’t disguise your innuendos
Give no lies to me
I can see the way the wind blows
Don’t debase me
Annihilate me
Please don’t Judas me.
Please don’t number me
Don’t betray my trust and promise
Please don’t anger me
I find it hard to bear no malice
Don’t frustrate me
Manipulate me
Please don’t Judas me.
No, no, don’t Judas me
No, please don’t Judas me.
Written by: Peter Agnew, Manuel Charlton, William Mccafferty, Darrell Sweet
Album: Hair of the Dog
Released: 1975
”Please don’t headshrink me ”
HAZlolzlolzzlollzzz that’s what Sparkly told Scott years ago, then Sparkly the self-admitted above liar, coward & cheat, and now a hypocrite who goes around doing it to others( lately mainly i and Derek as he now pretends to be a ””(red pill)” uniter” NOT divider” like his idol W. too.
Three extremes
Here in California, its the end of the world! Trump was elected
In the manosphere, Trump has been elected, everything is going to be great!
Evangelical Christians, Trump has been elected, he is chosen by God!
The level of delusion and sudden “trust” or “distrust” in the system we live under is really absurd and I expect more from people who consider themselves “smart”
I guess I am really stupid.
With Christians and Manopshere types, these same people SUPPORTED W Bush on EVERYTHING.
With trhe other side, for all the talk of “democracy” they seem to put everything on The President as if he does everything on a whim.
We’re really doomed, and for once…..its not my fault or problem
Actual post from a FB “friend” (I know her from grade school):
“Hold onto your wigs, toupees and come overs. The fecal matter’s bout to hit the proverbial bladed air circulator! TRUTH coming soon- to a country near you! Check listings for showtimes. It ain’t over loves!!! Faaaaaar from it!!! Here’s why. The charade playing out now is exactly that- a charade. And it needs to play out while the adults WORK. Like any game of charades, it ends when what’s being acted out is recognized. This isn’t simply about election integrity, safety and security or national safety and security- it’s about global safety and security. This wasn’t only an attempt to “steal” and election, it was an attempt to “steal” our country and dominance over other countries. ALLLLL the Adults, here and allies are AWARE and working collaboratively, tirelessly, stealthly and with expedience applying and investing alllll resources (human and material) to pull the thread of its complete undoing. The time is NOW. The Nazi party lasted 12 yrs. 9 here in its “newest” iteration with the same vision for national and global domination-economically, socially and politically. 9 is the number of completion. WE ARE NOT GOING BACK!!!!! I repeat WE ARE NOT GOING BACK!!!”
….Should I suggest they all protest in front of the Capitol on January 6th?
Other thoughts, Trump is human, and he’s not even that great of a person (though I hope he is better after his brush with coming a centimeter from meeting the Creator) he is, however, infinitely better than the other person for reasons I’ve explained briefly (about 1/100th of the detail I could into) and won’t waste my time on now.
again……your “hes not as bad” as the other person does nothing to change anything
of course it does.
Churchill was not as bad as Lenin and Stalin.
Suffering under the leadership of one was much different than suffering under the other.
The culture war has been won. The supposed “conservatives” lost. A long time ago.
In the mid 1950’s when the West pretty much fully learned what a tyrant Stalin was…..it sent a shockwave. Remember, during the war…….the Soviet Union was viewed as a brave ally that did take the brunt of the Nazis (22 million dead)
The “leftist / communist” types in the West knew they would never, never be able t…radio o win elections at face value. Thus began the “long march thru the insititutions”
The libraries. The elite private schools first…..then the public schools. Slowly through the media like newspapers and radio, then television. When the government expanded vastly in the mid sixties, and army of bureaucrats was ready. Through social clubs, neighborhood associations, water resource boards, boards of education, local community select boards, through the businesses. Everywhere.
The new way was……..it will overturn the system totally to their methods not by elections, but by default. Former radical leftist David Horowitz said this in the 1990’s. As did Elridge Cleaver on “The Savage Nation”(KSFO in San Francisco).
I read Horowitz’s books on this and it wasnt a “plan” laid out on paper. It was the radical left going underground and playing along with the current system until that system by default would not be able to fightback when the time came.
We’re just about there.
It doesnt matter if Trump won. The entrenched ideology within the whole of all institutions in the USA. Sure, many people who work for the government or local library are not this way, but are stuck to play along.
In college, we LAUGHED at the PC crowd. No one is laughing now. We believed the system would self-correct. It really cant now.
I watch C-span, Senator Hawley and Senator Kennedy…all the conservatives and bible thumpers applaud them for “standing tough” and “asking the tough questions” of the FBI, The Federal Reserve, The Judicial System….and nothing gets done. They lie, they stonewall, they dont answer questions….and nothing. No one is fired. These depts are supposed to answer to the House and Senate. They know nothing will happen to them. They have a Union, they have rights of employment and the like. The Federal Employees Union is now stronger than Detroit in the 1960’s.
The Long March is pretty much complete. Combine this with policies, Laws, and the like slowly enacted over the decades to protect mediocrity. A dumbing down of the educational system since the 1970’s and getting kids addicted to prescribed drugs from shrinks. Obesity. Combined with everything requiring a gazillion signatures for approval (I deal with this in my job)
Peter Hitchens, and David Horowitz said by the end of the 1980’s “The Soviet Union had ground to a halt” mostly because to move a stone from point A to point B required a thousand signatures from government employees.
Even in 1984 Orwell mentioned how work ground to a standstill and this was done on purpose in the end by The Party.
Trump will make feel good speeches to his followers. He’ll label some political opponents with a “funny” name, you’ll all cheer “hes standing up for us”
While the country gets worse. Remembere, in the his first term…he was appointing all these “top” people who couldnt get anything done and then turned on him.
More of the same.
It doesnt matter if Trump won. The entrenched ideology within the whole of all institutions in the USA. Sure, many people who work for the government or local library are not this way, but are stuck to play along.
This is what GBFM was saying throughout the 2010s as most others in the supposed non-delusional ”redpill”osphere said ”Game will save Marriage and Western Civ dudes”.Yet who heard it?
I watch C-span, Senator Hawley and Senator Kennedy…all the conservatives and bible thumpers applaud them for “standing tough” and “asking the tough questions” of the FBI, The Federal Reserve, The Judicial System….and nothing gets done.
A certain ”Genius” over at Spawnys thinks The Federal Reserve will be abolished cuz Trump and Elon Musk.
i have believed all along it’s a two-card Monte system like Savage would say about the Ds & Rs who claim to see the other as a Nazi or Communist but regularly dine together and with
” Neutral and innocent doing it for the people” news reporters at expensive D.C. restaurants on the public dime.
Read the ”Illegal waiters stealing taxpayer paid for credit card numbers from CongressMEN(who wanted them having tax-payer paid for credit cards kept secret-so quietly arrest,charge and jail the illegals waiters and waitresses capiche?)” chapter of the ”Your Secrets Are My Business” Book from 2000 for more info on that.
It was only two years or so after i read that book that Savage went national and i could relate to all his ”this D vs. R stuff is mostly BS i think ” thinking.BUT i mainly loved his stories about his disabled Brother from birth Jerome, how it was as a teenager in the early-mid ’50s, his days as a high school teacher in the 60s, and such.
Some of the stories on the show…1994 thru 1997. The one about the garbage man in Marin County. I laughed so hard
In “liberal” San Francisco. He had the number 1 drive home show radio show in the Bay Area thru the early 2000’s.
He was a Conservative but had little faith in the “Republicans and Democrats” even back then. I remember he would play the “Howdy Doody” show theme before he played a W Bush idiodic comment (And W Bush had plenty)
He hated Clinton and openly said “The Republicans lost California. It was always nuts out here. Yet, they had Reagan, Dukejamian, and Wilson run this state overall okay. They focused on a christian litmus test instead of balancing the budget since 1994. You can thank Newt Gingrinch for that.”
I remember him telling us that if Nancy Pelosi wasnt in politics, the best she would have done would have been “manager of a brassier shop in Brooklyn”
It was a priceless time…and he was correct on so many things
Politics. I was in the crowd for this “election” debate for Mayor in San Francisco. Chicken John v Gavin Newsom. I voted for Chicken John, not that he was the better candidate, but “the lesser of two evils” he lost but this is what politics has become. You can hear me laughing in the crowd….and I was probably high and ripped on cocaine at the time.
Almost twenty years later and this type of thing is at the national level now. This is what you get. Incompetence, bad morals, funny retorts, and empty puppetry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUupuZtByc
This debate. Chicken John invited Mayor Newsom to a debate. Newsom of course declined, but Chicken John Said the debate was going to happen, and Newsom despite his decline was indeed going to be there! We showed up, and there was a puppet of Gavin Newsom. It was priceless. The humor that SF used to have in these matters…..gone now and has been gone for a long time.
The thing was, those of us who did vote for Chicken John realized that he probably could no worse than Mayor Newsom was doing at that time
Remember that time Michael Savage ran into Newsom at a non-same sex Wedding?
& Savage said he could ruin Newsom’s stellar Reputation by letting that spread around that Gavin would go to such a Wedding?😉
I remember that! SF was going down back then, but as a city it still could get things done. The old guard of those “old school” Democrats were leaving, or dying off at that time. At least those Democrats ran businesses, had street experience and were still grounded in reality. Since 2009 or so…..probably a bit before…….every politician there, all of them. Never have run a business. Their prior job title was “activist” and they are vampires. They come and suck the blood out of the place……..make excuses and blame the secret rooms and places that are filled with Nazis and evangelical christians that “ruined” their vision.
The voters are to blame in the end though
The Amen mind-numbed RP NPC bots who make up the RP echo chamber who brown nose the ever failurous ”Christian” Genius RP leaders are to blame in the end though
i and definitely Bruce know that MOD!
Bruce Charlton explains why the mainstream ”Christian” RP fails so miserably.
Monday, 18 November 2024
Next-worldly, but not world-renouncing – not ascetic but loving (Christian life)
I think it is a mistake when Christians present the faith as ascetic, world renouncing, world-rejecting; as if this mortal life was merely a matter of (whether patiently, or not!) waiting for death and resurrection.
This makes no sense to me, because if mortal life is about rejecting this world, then we would die as soon as possible – or indeed, not live mortally at all but would go straight to Heaven.
I think the error ultimately derives from double-negative theology – of seeing life in this sin-full world as a matter of avoiding as many sins as completely as possible. The modern world is more this-worldly and materialistic than any society ever before, so the “natural” reaction is often to aspire to reject everything, all material things, all attachments… But that lands us in Buddhism or Hinduism – not Christianity.
What about the example of Jesus’s own life. Well, it depends on which source you regard as primary. If, like me, you regard the Fourth Gospel “John”) as broadly authoritative, then there is no sanction for asceticism; since Jesus is depicted as living very socially, even feasting; and having very personal and loving attachments to family and friends. In this Jesus is contrasted with John the Baptist, who is depicted as much more of a world renouncing ascetic.
On the other hand, most people prefer to take the Synoptic Gospels, especially Matthew and Luke, as their primary sources – and these describe Jesus retreating into the desert for forty days and nights. Very ascetic. Either this actually happened as Matthew and Luke said, or it didn’t as positively implied and negatively omitted by “John” (who could hardly have chosen leave -out such a major event!).
The truth is not complicated; it is simply that we are supposed neither to be worldly materialists nor unworldly hermits (both red herrings, a false dichotomy); but to love during mortal life. That seems pretty clear, pretty straightforward.
Loving not rejecting.
And to love means to love persons, beings, the living world; which is why we remain alive in this mortal life – and why we are not supposed to be trying to make mortal life into a second-rate version of being dead already.
To love; is to love material things as well as spiritual things (except that there are no “things”, not really – creation is alive).
Of course love is a dynamic thing, and is two-way; which is why we never stop needing to learn about it. That is what we are supposed to be doing while we are alive; and we shouldn’t be hankering after the next life when there is important work to be done in this life.
But love is something we must do while living – although love is the purpose, it is not a purpose that can be aimed-at of itself.
We must love while living – while doing all the material mortal things we need to do…
Which, presumably, is why we are alive.
Notice the ”Genius RP leaders” are the first to reject love?
IOW God himself?
It’s almost enough to make one think they are anti-Christian atheist trolls from Langly huh?
As stated here:
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is (springs) from God; and he who loves [his fellowmen] is begotten (born) of God and is coming [progressively] to know and understand God [to perceive and recognize and get a better and clearer knowledge of Him].
8 He who does not love has not become acquainted with God [does not and never did know Him], for God is love.
9 In this the love of God was made manifest (displayed) where we are concerned: in that God sent His Son, the only begotten or [a]unique [Son], into the world so that we might live through Him.
10 In this is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation (the atoning sacrifice) for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God loved us so [very much], we also ought to love one another.
12 No man has at any time [yet] seen God. But if we love one another, God abides (lives and remains) in us and His love (that love which is essentially His) is brought to completion (to its full maturity, runs its full course, is perfected) in us!
13 By this we come to know (perceive, recognize, and understand) that we abide (live and remain) in Him and He in us: because He has given (imparted) to us of His [Holy] Spirit.
14 And [besides] we ourselves have seen (have deliberately and steadfastly contemplated) and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son [as the] Savior of the world.
15 Anyone who confesses (acknowledges, owns) that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides (lives, makes His home) in him and he [abides, lives, makes his home] in God.
16 And we know (understand, recognize, are conscious of, by observation and by experience) and believe (adhere to and put faith in and rely on) the love God cherishes for us. God is love, and he who dwells and continues in love dwells and continues in God, and God dwells and continues in him.
17 In this [union and communion with Him] love is brought to completion and attains perfection with us, that we may have confidence for the day of judgment [with assurance and boldness to face Him], because as He is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love [dread does not exist], but full-grown (complete, perfect) love [b]turns fear out of doors and expels every trace of terror! For fear [c]brings with it the thought of punishment, and [so] he who is afraid has not reached the full maturity of love [is not yet grown into love’s complete perfection].
19 We love Him, because He first loved us.
20 If anyone says, I love God, and hates (detests, abominates) his brother [[d]in Christ], he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, Whom he has not seen.
21 And this command (charge, order, injunction) we have from Him: that he who loves God shall love his brother [[e]believer] also.-1 John 4:7-21
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition
Yet the ”Christian” genius RP leaders still can’t match GBFMS’s impact on the sphere(let alone Dereks, MODS, LIZ’ & GBFMS’s impact at SF, sharkly’s, and Spawnys) at large(after all their supposed ”studying and learning” like the Pharisees, scribes and Sadducees before them) & wonder ”(sob)why are WE such tremendous(sob) failures(sob-starts blowing their nose)& can’t match let alone exceed GBFM(sob)?”
They have their answer above in Scripture but refuse to see Reality as usual while insanely yelling ”REDPILL, REDPILL, REDPILL”’.