John Wycliffe was an atomist.
By the power of the church, the following statement is an offense against God and the church worthy of excommunication:
Any continuous mathematical line is composed of two, three or four contiguous points, or of only a simply finite number of points; and time is, was and will be composed of contiguous instants.
For the church declares, subject to excommunication, that…
It is not possible that time and a line, if they exist, are composed of in this way. The first part is a philosophical error, the last part is an error with regard to God’s power.
Did you know that the Roman Catholic Church has ruled officially on mathematical theories? Did you know that you can be excommunicated for holding the wrong scientific or mathematical viewpoints? Now you do!
When it gets to this level……I am reminded of “The Simpsons” when Rev Lovejoy exasperated with Lisa Simpson just says “Oh….Lisa, somewhere in the Bible by some interpretations, it says you are not even allowed to go to the bathroom”
When it gets to this level……I am reminded of “The Simpsons” when Rev Lovejoy exasperated with Lisa Simpson just says “Oh….Lisa, somewhere in the Bible by some interpretations, it says you are not even allowed to go to the bathroom”
Yeah you know a certain genius thinks Ned Flanders on there is despised because of his(supposed) meekness instead of his obvious(NOT obvious to that ”genius” of course that they also have in abundance) holier-than-thou attitude?
Update on my new appreciation for Vox the honest(a TRUE rarity among his kind) tradcon who unlike most of them has had some success.:
Why the Risk is Worth It
A literal Chad faces the very horror story that the MGTOWs cite to justify their fear of marriage and reaches a pair of surprising conclusions.
I am in the middle of a very ugly divorce. My wife and kids have been AWOL for over three months. Two days before Christmas I got a knock on my door from an officer of the court presenting me with a bill of divorce, ending 14 years of marriage. I loved my wife dearly, and I thought the feeling was mutual despite some differences. We had a few fights, but I didn’t think they were too bad. She was more distant than normal in the months leading up to it. She says it was my conversion to Catholicism, but I know that’s just the excuse, her golden ticket out.
We have five very young children who are now without a father. I received recent news that she will be petitioning the court to move into my house with the children, kicking me out, which will render me literally homeless. In addition I’ll have to pay a huge amount of alimony and child support, so I will also be poor. Whether the judge will honor that or not, or to what degree, remains to be seen.
So the MGTOW’s were right. I stand to lose everything I have built over a decade and a half, or at least a substantial amount of it.
They’re not wrong. Feminism and the gynocentric society we have currently found ourselves in has made marriage a huge risk to men. Feminism has rendered women–even the conservative ones–opportunists who will marry you and then suck you dry, draining your finances on yoga classes, 10-day retreat trips, and countless therapy sessions. Then when you’re in enough debt she hires a sleazy lawyer to drum up humiliations of you in the courtroom. As the nail in the coffin, the state comes in to attach this woman scorned to you for another couple decades like a parasite, leeching alimony and child support from your hard work.
Looking at just those facts, they’re 100% right. Besides the five beautiful children that came out of this marriage, marrying her was a mistake, a big one.
Now for the plot twist. That marriage was the best thing that ever happened to me.
Then another twist. The divorce is possibly the second best.
Now, it’s true that the Christian marriage advocates are, for the most part, blathering morons. Pretty much all the stuff they say about the beauty and perfection of a marital relationship is total nonsense based on relative ignorance; they know about as much of the materialist joys of modern hedonism as a medieval Catholic monk. They’re teetotallers comparing a nice cup of tea to cocaine. The joys of the godless may be but for a moment, but they are real.
To put it simply, if either materialism or hedonism is your absolute priority, then don’t get married. Chase the dragon until you die with all your toys.
However, in like manner, the joys and satisfactions of marriage cannot be understood from the outside. They are more akin to the satisfaction of the architect in seeing his vision come to life in brick and stone, or to those of the writer holding his first novel in his hands. There is a sense of purpose and accomplishment in building a family, and it is something that remains even in the aftermath of a failed marriage.
As one gets older, the more import one places on one’s legacy and the less one places on transitory pleasures and ephemeral happiness. And also, the more you realize that your regrets tend to be based more on the risks you failed to take rather than the failures you experienced.
But these are things that can only be contemplated on the other side of the fence. Even so, it should be kept in mind that decisions made on the sole basis of fear are reliably suboptimal, and if one is to err, it is always best to err on the side of eusociality and eucivility rather than their opposites.
UPDATE: A woman shares her own experience as a child of divorce, which may help explain why women are increasingly choosing to stay married based on their realization that the grass on the other side of the fence is not so green.
I’ve never understood these women. I lived that life, as the daughter of a woman who destroyed everything we had for “greener pastures”. My Mom never remarried, nor found a partner to share her life. She was never financially stable after the divorce. She harassed, bashed and degraded my father, even after his death some 30 years later. She died alone at home, of suicide, at age 67.
”Now, it’s true that the Christian marriage advocates are, for the most part, blathering morons. Pretty much all the stuff they say about the beauty and perfection of a marital relationship is total nonsense based on relative ignorance”
That part shows why VOX is the only good tradcon He knows most of them are ”total nonsense blathering morons.”
Try to get that from the latter-day infiltrator tradcon trolls in the sphere today.
Hell even ”St.” Deti hates the vast glories of MANliness and freedom(which he claims he’s for MEN having yet not those he sees as superior to himself) that only God himself can create that is GBFM!
It is not my fault he never ”got” Roissy or GBFM as he was too busy brown-nosing their loser highly failurous tradcon copycats known as Athol Kay and Susan Walsh.
Well said.
Im not buying it. “well, she divorced me, took the kids, gonna lose in court…but I have a legacy and thats the worth of it……”
So why bother getting married to begin with? Just father children and have your wages garnished, pay out the nose through the courts……as long as you have a legacy.
The damage the divorce will do to the children. She turning them against you perhaps? We hear DAILY the stats from the “experts” that children without a father in the house are more likely to: do drugs, dress in drag, be arrested, teen pregnancy, sexually promiscuity
But heck….as long as you have a “legacy” it doesnt matter.
I sense a massive “cope” here. Its like me saying “Yesh I did drugs, lots of them, had an interesting “trip” up and down the State of California during this period. Oh, lost everything…..but so what…I would not be the awesome person I am now without those experiences / situations”
NO! I regret the whole thing. All of it!
I am paying for this for my entire life…whats left of it. Choices made, consequences had! I have to deal with it, live it and yes, understand that I “chose poorly”
It doesnt mean I cannot find fulfillment or even redemption or hope, or LEARN from that to say “yeah, well….”
But to cloak it under “I have a legacy / I would not be the amazing person I am without that” nonsense is a cope and it loks worse on men than women for some reason
He says “legacy,” but this is imprecise. So when he says…
“the joys and satisfactions of marriage cannot be understood from the outside”
…he really means this. Words are an inadequate replacement for the school of experience.
Vox isn’t trying to minimize the suffering a man experiences in these situations, he’s putting it into proper perspective. It’s the same thing Peter does in the book of 1 Peter. There, Peter fully acknowledges how terrible the suffering is, while pointing out that the glory that awaits us after death makes the suffering out to be insignificant by comparison.
I don’t expect everyone to understand this, and neither does Vox.
One of the things Bruce Charlton writes about is how modern man treats suffering differently from how historical man viewed it. Wealth and prosperity were, if anything, once considered to be impediments to the divine. But moderns view the end of suffering as the sole purpose of life.
If my wife delivered a divorce decree this afternoon, I’d still not regret having married and had children. I’d certainly have many other regrets, but that wouldn’t be one of them.
I just take it as “I am a Chad, going through a divorce……all of you need to have this problem, since I am having this problem”
Vox btw was telling us all a few months back, along with a few others that “MGTOW” is a cop-out. As if every man CAN get married or even has the option to at this point.
All these Alpha’s and “top tier men” getting divorced??? I thought these guys had loads of women and choices and options?
Still cannot admit “I chose poorly / was thinking with my penis / she was the hottest gal, so she must be good or wife material”
Pre-1970 is the USA and the West for the most part…divorce was very expensive to get and again……..used mostly by the very famous, very rich or elite.
We can thank “the God fearing Conservative” Ronald Reagan for “no fault divorce”
At the same time, men had no problem with the “sexual revolution” as well, since it freed them up from responsibility as well. The cultural and societal damaged that has done to men and women will never be tallied or figured out.
Yet……
demanding women with no N count, but wanting now prostitution legal…..”oh we’re helping the loser men to have no guilt, European countries do this!”
The sexual revolution in the end benefitted Feminism, and benefitted men like Scott, Jack, DS, and others like them. The rest were told “you still are not putting the work in, its easy to get women”
Its a very sinister thing in the end, the devil works in ways so sublime, even the “teachers of the law” in our day cant even see it in front of them.
Hell is gonna be a crowded place
If you have a good marriage, the Red Pill says that you got lucky and stumbled onto a unicorn.
But if you have a good marriage and say that you are lucky to have found such a good wife, this makes you a woman worshiper. God forbid she had higher value in the marriage market place and you say you married up when you married her. Nevermind that it is true, you’re just a cuck for saying it.
Which is it, I wonder?
I remember the “hairsplitting” came out in full force once…..
I spoke about my parents having a “good” marriage. They did.
Ah, but since they were not devout christians at a red pilled church and they didnt put “jesus” first on everything. It wasnt a “good” marriage. They said it was a “partnership” or some new made-up word for the situation.
The comments of “only Jesus is good” stuff like that. They cannot accept that that some men and women actually do love each other. And they view love = or must equal sex only
So why bother getting married to begin with? Just father children and have your wages garnished, pay out the nose through the courts……as long as you have a legacy.
That’s what our ”friend” tfh/anon used to say at DALS , just have an Indian surrogate or better artificial Womb and have your children that way if you’re an MGTOW with a few hundred thousand or a few million to easily spare.
That’s the only time Oscar and a few others (mostly women saying” why would a single MAN want children?”)had a problem with tfh/anon(for some unknown reason😉).
If a bunch of ”influential” GOP donors started doing it then it ”would be of God” and ”rp set in stone lore” like past ”unChristian red pill” things that later became very ”redpill”in general let alone ”rp Christian” like the 80/20 stuff(which started off as very icky to ”rp” Christians even when Roissy first said it along with those who were becoming known at the same time as ”blackpillers” at the time).
One’s “legacy” includes more than the mundane propogation of 50% of your genetic material. Case-in-point: adoption.
By the way MOD,
This post
https://heartiste.org/2010/08/25/sex-at-dusk/
is the first one i know of where Roissy first mentions the 80/20 stuff.
Sex At Dusk
Aug 25th, 2010 by CH
Just what is our sociosexual evolutionary heritage?
Here is a comment left by Christopher Ryan, author of “Sex at Dawn“:
The ‘ancient biological reasons’ that you’re referring to are currently being called into question by serious primatologists and anthropologists.
It is not really obvious that ancient homo sapiens really gave a fuck about paternity, because it wouldn’t have been obvious to them how sex and reproduction were actually related considering everybody was banging everybody.
Also add to this the fact that not only are women naturally promiscuous, but men are attracted to other men having sex with women ( your web browser history will back this up. )
This is why women scream during sex. to attract more men to join the fight. Literally, almost, considering the fight that takes place inside the woman. Not only does one sperm compete against millions of your own, but millions of other men. Considering women’s immune system treats sperm as invaders, women select their mates on a cellular level regardless of what their instincts might tell them.
A lot of this research calls the science behind the alpha male / game worldview into question. It isn’t that I’m arguing against evolutionary biology, either. I’m arguing for it, against a conception of it which mistakes our very recent cultural shifts ( agriculture ) as a constant in our 200k year + history.
It only made sense for men to care about virgins with the invention of private property which is passed down along paternal lines, agriculture, and a division of labor. This is a cultural adaptation not an ancient biological fact.
How do we know ancient (i.e. pre-agricultural man) didn’t give a fuck about paternity, or that they didn’t know that sex eventually led to children? And if it’s true that they were unconcerned with who’s the daddy, what relevance does this have for modern post-agricultural humans, who have had 10,000 – 12,000 years to evolve a different reaction to the threat of false paternity and female sluttiness? We now know distinct traits can evolve rather quickly in different human population groups. See: Ashkenazi Jewish intelligence, northern European lactose tolerance.
From what we know of modern hunter-gatherer societies (the Yanomamo, for instance), homicide rates are incredibly high. Something like 30% of men in those tribal societies are killed off by acts of male-on-male violence. This would release some of the competitive pressure on the men for mates. In a society with a heavily skewed male-female ratio favoring men, “everybody banging everybody” wouldn’t elicit as much of a jealousy response if each man was spreading his seed with multiple women, increasing his chances to procreate.
Women are naturally promiscuous, true, but to a lesser extent than men and in a different way. Women’s impetuous promiscuity is a function of their ovulatory cycle, in large part, where they seek alpha genes one week out of the month. Men’s promiscuity is noncyclical. Men can cheat whenever and wherever, and can do so whether in love or out of love with their primary partner. Women are often emotionally unable to cheat if they are in love with their partner.
Addressing Ryan’s other points, there is no evidence that men in any significant number outside of a tiny fetishist minority enjoy cuckold porn, or are attracted to other men having sex with women. If you look at porn, you’ll notice that the most popular videos (really, 90% of the videos on major porn sites) block out the male actor’s face. The camera zooms in on the penetrating cox and the woman’s body and face contorted with (albeit faked) pleasure. The man’s face and chest are deliberately excised from as much of the sex scenes as possible. What men really like to watch is women having sex with a disembodied cox, (hence, point of view porn, which is very popular), into which the viewer can imagine he is the one fuxing the girl.
Do women scream during sex to attract more men to the fight, or to warn other men away? I don’t see how the former is more clearly the reason than the latter. Or is there another explanation why women scream during sex? Perhaps to advertise their attractiveness to alpha males to other women, as a sort of status competition?
It’s understood that the penis is shaped like a sperm scoop, and that this is evidence that there is some amount of sperm competition resulting from female promiscuity going on. But there is also the powerful emotion of jealousy, a painful emotion which is not socially constructed, but is instead a visceral hindbrain reaction in the majority of men to thoughts of their women fucking other men. Did jealousy really evolve in just the last 10,000 years, or has it been with humanity for eons? It is possible that jealousy is a more recent evolution in the human psyche, and perhaps there are population group level differences in how much jealousy is experienced as a motivating impulse. (Maybe Africans feel less jealousy than Asians toward cheating partners.)
Whatever the evolution of jealousy, it is clearly an indicator that men DO give a fuck about paternity, and are NOT Ok with promiscuous women as long term partners who have been chosen to carry their young. If virginity weren’t valued by men, there would be no market for it. But in many large scale societies, not only is there an implicit market for virgins, there is an overt market for them. Did the invention of private property cause this powerful drive in men to seek out virgins in many parts of the world, or has the drive been a part of the neuronal network of the male brain for longer than that? Occam’s Razor normally falls on the side of biological imperative rather than social construction, as the latter is rarely an answer for anything except as a comforting illusion to help feminists and assorted blank slate lefties to sleep at night.
Bottom line is that there seems to be evidence for some kind of a balance between the sperm competition-female promiscuity nexus and mate guarding jealousy, and that this balance varies by population group. (r selected populations may lean more toward the large male genitals-female promiscuity part of the spectrum.) Double bottom line: Do you really want to live in a society where men don’t give a fuck about paternity and “everybody is fuxing everybody”? We already have an example of what such a society might look like: sub-saharan Africa.
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Interesting comment left by Rum:
What is the advantage to a woman of being less-than-aware of her actual arousal? It helps with her pretending to love a type of guy that her pussy really does not want. After all, if we accept the 80:20 rule regarding men and gina tingles, a lot of women are doomed to be paired via monogamy with a guy they never truly wanted – for sex. It is simple math. How could too much awareness of her true pussy-feelings help her attract a beta? It is just an extra burden for her to carry. So nature gives her an anesthetic for those unwelcome, burdensome insights.
This angle deserves further reflection. A lot of supposedly low libido women are simply women who settled for resource providing beta males who don’t sexually excite them. It’s already been shown that women are more likely to orgasm when they step out with an alpha male during that golden week of ovulatory sluttitude. If women were consciously aware of the connection between what they find attractive and what arouses them — in the same way men are aware of the connection — then women might be less inclined to remain loyal to the beta provider, and thus jeopardize the raising of their young. Or maybe the arousal ignorance is the cause of the infamous female caprice, which serves as a mate-selecting strategy ensuring that only men who are good with women will be able to navigate her seemingly illogical whims.
See?
We read that “Sperm Wars” book in college, it was one of the many readings we had for my Animal Behavior class. Controversial at the time, and it still is I suppose.
I recall learning that “marriage” so to speak evolved and developed in societies not because “the alphas” were kind and benevolent and wanted to give the “chumps” a chance but for the fact the “promiscious horde” societies realized that STD’s / STI’s were rampant and an early “code of laws” so to speak developed. It happened in call cultures, tribes and early civilizations on earth around the same time interestingly enough.
Yeah, sure it did. Historians never get that stuff right. What they don’t know and what they get wrong is much longer than what they postulate as true.
I remember when some modern “historian” claimed that some unearthed skeleton proved that women went hunting with the men, and proved that women and men had equality, or some such nonsense.
also, been hearing about “artificial wombs” since 1999 and they are “right around the corner”
If they ever do show up, women and married women will use them mostly because the “man” wants her to “stay hot” and “wreck her body” in childbirth and single women will do this for the same reason.
Men who want to use this for their own legacy will be deemed by Feminists and Red Pill as “creepy loser Betas” and “sexual predators”
Update from a Saint that doesn’t promote sf anymore.
thedeti says:
1 November, 2024 at 8:46 pm
On farms and farming
I grew up in the rural midwest in farm country. The entire landscape is dotted with little towns with populations of 400, 600, 5000, up to maybe 15,000. Almost all the rural land is used for farming,keeping it relz or livestock. There are farmhouses and even some little plots of land where someone bought 1 or 2 acres and put a house on it because they want to live “out in the country”. They don’t want to live even in a small town – they want to live where it’s quiet, and it is QUIET out there as me and my homies do our thang-YA HEAR ME OUT THERE?
I was surprised to learn in studying USSR history and culture that almost no one lived (or lives) “out in the country”. The Bolsheviks and then the Party made everyone move into town. Even the farmers, the kulaks, were moved. At best they stayed on the land but their farms became communal and the kulaks were forced to let their employees live on the land too. People traveling to the old USSR remarked on this – you go out to the country in between cities and there’s nothing out there. There are no homes, no buildings, no businesses – just clumps of homes and barns where the communal farms are. Other than that, there’s just nothing out in the country – not even a place to stop and use the bathroom.
I remember a political science professor explaining why – because the Party can more easily keep an eye on and control people who are stacked together in a city or town. A government can’t keep tabs on country people(especially Hellraisers like Roissy and GBFM).
People can be more discreet in the country. It’s harder to figure out what people are doing out there. People can meet and converse about whatever they want without other people knowing – and The Party of nosey, gossipy tradcon little old bitty ladies like sparkly and ”jack”(who TBH and polite like Ned Flanders, don’t know jack$#hit about keepin’ it relz like I, Roissy & GBFM on our gaming da hoes farm) won’t like that. People can also meet and do things without other people knowing – things like buying and selling and making money, and the Party of nosey, gossipy tradcon little old ladies like sparkly and ”jack” really won’t like that.
The only people who control what goes on out there are the people who live there e.g. Moi and my eternal BFFS Roissy & GBFM thank you very much. If you come onto a country person’s land, you better have a good reason for doing so and you will be expected to explain your presence like those sumb!tch, nosey, gossipy tradcon little old bitty ladies like sparkly and ”jack” for example.
People get independent living out in the country (too independent for The Party of you guessed it sumb!tch, nosey, gossipy tradcon little old bitty ladies like sparkly and ”jack” ). People figure out they don’t need too much government nor Rs or Ds sumb!tchs living out in the country.
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Cill says:
1 November, 2024 at 9:00 pm
“and it is QUIET out there”
It sure is. And it’s vast, almost overwhelmingly so for a visitor from a little nation surrounded by the remotest part of the Pacific. The only land that’s more overwhelming is east-of-central Russia, which is too ridiculously vast and empty and soulless altogether.
[But I now see that thedeti went on to mention Russia already]
P.S. i hope i written that verbatim from Deti(I’m an ”originalist” freedom-loving 1STGEN MGTOW, Deti and you better know it) like he supposedly got ”game will save Marriage & Western Civ from collapse bros” from Roissy-Bastardizing and misrepresenting game=redpill is why DAL & the sphere first failed and why ”rp genius leaders” continue to fail today).
As MOSES, JESUS, GBFM & blackpillers continue to prevail against their lying and deceiving tradconism!
i still wonder why Deti can’t explain why he has left sf, some more of Jack’s blackmail perhaps?
Like sumb!tch(in Detis words) sparkly thought he was gonna pull on me after i had enough of his insane and nonsensical $#itposting(as he personally told me ”I like Jack for promoting my $#itposting site(s), but I also hate Jack for taking Scott’s side in my gay penis-envying who da MANZ MANZ war against him”) at his site?
Update on why ”red pill genius leaders” are a waste of time & total failures.
As they speak on childish things like ”I didn’t even get one suxxy sux from my wife and I needz it lest I die dudes”,
”I should be allowed to nag as well as busybody the wife and kids of red pill saints if I the failing genius think I the fool tard see them do wrong as I’m their overlord even though I haven’t asked permission from my TRUE God the Government of Christless Ds and Rs, so in other words? I’m a total lawless hypocrite, shocker am I right?”’ and
”I should be able to execute my wife or kids anytime I puh puh please(in the words of my ”friend” ”Brian/Jack”).”
Time-wasting trolls and moral Frenchmen!
While they and their co-conspirators against MEN, God, and his creation enjoy their life of sin, leisure and wanking off lots of MEN made in God’s image are hurting:
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I really cannot stop thinking about how the blackpill makes sense to me.
Vent
The blackpill is the idea that your looks/genetics are what determine how good or bad your dating life is.
In blackpill when talking about looks it is in reference to two main things
Height
Face [hunter-eyes, jawline, facial symmetry]
Throughout my entire life I never really got signals from girls showing any kind of interest in me
Especially right now in my mid-20s I’m balding and I’m also short [5’6], literally 0 signs of interest from women.
I do have some female friends but that is mostly it. I never seen any signs from women showing any interest of being attracted to me and wanting to date me.
I thought 5’6 even though I was short I could date girls shorter, but most girls shorter than me have boyfriends who are at least 5’8-5’9
I am trying to self improve and take care of my health and wealth and also trying to look better as well but when I see naturally good looking or taller dudes easily pick up women with MINIMAL effort it makes me so demotivated and depressed.
When I see women showing interest in a guy that I never got in my entire life it makes me extremely depressed.
I really do believe that most average looking women are not attracted to average looking guys while other way around is not true. Or else I would’ve seen way more guys in relationships. Most guys I know are single.
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i agree. Mostly people talk about looks factor of it. But there’s so much to Blackpill than just “looks looks looks”.
The most brutal blackpill to me is that Most people have made friends in their childhood or have happy memories of that time, or they have been privilged by having good parents or genetics(could be intelligence, looks, skills etc). And they tend to be more successful and happier than those who don’t have these + are born into extreme poverty.
And sadly no one cares about those who fall in the latter category like me. I never left my home since birth to play with anyone or make friends cuz my parents forbade me from doing so. Plus im from a very poor abusive mentally and emotionally retarded family.
It’s truly ovER cuz I’m abused all the time and depressed cuz I don’t have skills, hobbies, intelligence to do anything.
Trust me, I have given it my all but still I can’t crack exams and $#it. I’m afraid what will become of me in the future.
What do the time-waster trolls known as ”red pill genius leaders” tell these MEN?
”Eat clean, go to the gym all day, and have ”MEN-Meetings” at the local Gay porn bookstore and and learn Game=”redpill” to MENZ-UP for a woman that WE tell ye is $#it but you must work hard for anyways simple and non-simptastic am I right?”
But what does the Bible (and WE MEN of Faith here) that those time-wasting ”red pill genius leaders” trolls supposedly believe in say to those hurting MEN above?
Romans 10
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10 Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for Israel is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a certain enthusiasm for God, but not in accordance with [correct and vital] knowledge [about Him and His purposes]. 3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness [which is based on faith], and seeking to establish their own [righteousness based on works], they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 For Christ is the end of the law [it leads to Him and its purpose is fulfilled in Him], for [granting] righteousness to everyone who believes [in Him as Savior].
5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law [with all its intricate demands] shall live by it. 6 But the righteousness based on faith [which produces a right relationship with Him] says the following: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into Heaven?’ that is, to bring Christ down; 7 or, ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ that is, to bring Christ up from the dead [as if we had to be saved by our own efforts, doing the impossible].” 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word [the message, the basis] of faith which we preach— 9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification [that is, being made righteous—being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges and confesses [his faith openly], resulting in and confirming [his] salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him [whoever adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] will not be disappointed [in his expectations].” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile; for the same Lord is Lord over all [of us], and [He is] abounding in riches (blessings) for all who call on Him [in faith and prayer]. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord [in prayer] will be saved.”
14 But how will people call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how will they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher (messenger)? 15 And how will they preach unless they are commissioned and sent [for that purpose]? Just as it is written and forever remains written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”
16 But they did not all pay attention to the good news [of salvation]; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So faith comes from hearing [what is told], and what is heard comes by the [preaching of the] message concerning Christ.
18 But I say, did they not hear? Indeed they have;
“Their voice [that of creation bearing God’s message] has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the [farthest] ends of the world.”
19 But I say, did Israel fail to understand [that the gospel was to go also to the Gentiles]? First Moses says,
“I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation (Gentiles);
With a nation that lacks understanding I will make you angry.”
20 Then Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I have been found by those who did not seek Me;
I have shown Myself to those who did not [consciously] ask for Me.”
21 But of Israel he says, “All day long I have stretched out My hands [in compassion] to a disobedient and obstinate people.”
Life for MEN(especially) is about God and his CHRIST, NOT women worshipping through game=”redpill” and being seen as MANLY by gay porn watchers time-wasting trolls that call themselves ”red pill genius leaders”!